What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[JimmyDean]

All this dread over hunts is amusing to me. I cant imagine what you all would have done in ffxi when hunting a nm for hours and then it pops and 10 people swarm it and you dont get the claim. lol. A lot of you people would be flopping around on the floor like a fish out of water. They should just make this stuff poppable with something you obtain in a hard dungeon or something. Or a rare drop from a map maybe. Then the fighting might stop. idk

[Ashkendor]

Resetting does not prevent the group that is there from getting credit. This is a false claim. It lets everyone including them get credit. The troll early puller is a troll. Most of the the time they are not even a group, they are just there to cause drama. They usually shout the expletives at people after wards after being called out for their bad behavior.

The mobs have a finite number of hit points, therefore only a finite number of people can get full credit.

I'd give an anecdote, but you'd just call me a liar anyway so what's the point?

If gotten full credit with just 3 people in a party on A ranks even full LS there.

This would never happen on a more populated server. Even in full parties, you can get minimum credit quite easily.

You are a very good troll, NyarukoW. You've successfully strung along all the people here. *clap*

Yeah, this is kind of how I'm feeling atm... luckily I'm just doing this idly between EX primal runs.

[Dhex]

All this dread over hunts is amusing to me.

Generally: FFXI people raged usually and would either name & shame (falsely) that the other person used a bot while they submitted an incoherent GM report - you got on a first name basis with a GM or two from all the rage directed at you for claiming NMs & HNMs over the years.

Competition is bad for MMO communities outside of PVP - people get frustrated and belligerent.

I think any Hunt group that makes a conscientious effort to make marks more accessible and orderly should always be considered a good thing & commended for their efforts.

It does not need to be "us vs. them" I really just shake my head whenever I see that attitude on the forums.

[NyarukoW]

I think any Hunt group that makes a conscientious effort to make marks more accessible and orderly should always be considered a good thing & commended for their efforts.

It does not need to be "us vs. them" I really just shake my head whenever I see that attitude on the forums.

Early pullers in hunts are just like speed runners in the dungeon. They prioritize themselves over everyone else. It does NOT have to be us vs them. But the same impatient people always insist that everyone else is slowing them down. They are the same impatient bunch abuses vote kicks because they couldn't wait 10 seconds and locks someone else out of a boss room.

In any case, they come up with all sorts of stories and make up all sorts of hypotheticals and come here and cry about the large majority of "them" calling them names like the horde and zerg etc. Funny thing is the "them" is the community and large majority of players that works to be inclusive and allow everyone to get full credit from hunts. Telling these trolls that they are behaving badly and messing things up for everyone else is NOT something they want to hear.

These trolls do NOT want it to be inclusive. They want to be exclusive, create friction, drama. They are upset that vast majority of the player base have a catch-up option to gear up. They are working as hard as they can to disrupt the game play of everyone else, do their darndest to be detrimental to the rest of player base that are happily working together and doing the hunts.

And you know what happens when you have trolls in your FC see:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ve_the_server/

My friends in the LS in the .exe FC ditched their FC like rats jumping ship. No one is sad about the trolls leaving.

[Thayos]

This would never happen on a more populated server. Even in full parties, you can get minimum credit quite easily.

I'm on a more populated server, and with A ranks, I almost never get partial credit on A ranks, even in fights where a few people end up slept or stoned. I've also been in many parties with four to six people and received full credit (it's more abnormal to just get partial). And, yes, I've been in parties of three people (all tanks, though) where we've had full credit.

The difference is that on Hyperion, trolling is at a minimum and the hunt groups tend to be patient with one another. When lots of people are hunting, we usually wait until the point the NM starts to disappear before pulling. And still, despite waiting that long, most people in parties still get full credit.

But to say it's so easy to just get partial credit if partied up simply isn't true (at least on Hyperion, where people work together), and I've got hundreds of A ranks worth of experience to back that up.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

And you know what happens when you have trolls in your FC see:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ve_the_server/

... I'm sorry, are you actually going on record here as supporting a massive server-wide witch hunt that drove an entire free company to leave the server entirely because of the actions of a few of their members?

[NyarukoW]

... I'm sorry, are you actually going on record here as supporting a massive server-wide witch hunt that drove an entire free company to leave the server entirely because of the actions of a few of their members?

Witch hunts are for fictitious falsely accused witches. There was no witch hunt. The obvious trolls are obvious. The whole server had seen their bad behavior and suffered from their handiwork. It is not a surprise no one wants to be associated with the trolls. The evidence is clear and stands by itself. BTW lots of their former members are in new FC and still in the hunt LS. Some of them are my friends. It goes back to actions have consequences.

[Thayos]

... I'm sorry, are you actually going on record here as supporting a massive server-wide witch hunt that drove an entire free company to leave the server entirely because of the actions of a few of their members?

Doesn't look like much of a witch hunt... looks like some people in a FC got caught blatantly trolling, and they paid the social consequences for it. Also, the entire FC didn't leave. Some stayed behind and are attempting to rebuild the FC's image, according to that thread.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... the drama in hunts isn't caused by the majority, it's caused by the trolls on the fringes. Some of these trolls are in hunting groups, and some of them work alone or in small numbers. Either way, trolls are trolls, and when they get caught, they deserve to be shunned. It's the risk they take when they troll.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Doesn't look like much of a witch hunt... looks like some people in a FC got caught blatantly trolling, and they paid the social consequences for it. Also, the entire FC didn't leave. Some stayed behind and are attempting to rebuild the FC's image, according to that thread.

Some stayed behind and are attempting to rebuild the FC's image

rebuild the FC's image

But there totally wasn't a witch-hunt towards the FC members that weren't trolling.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... the drama in hunts isn't caused by the majority, it's caused by the trolls on the fringes. Some of these trolls are in hunting groups, and some of them work alone or in small numbers. Either way, trolls are trolls, and when they get caught, they deserve to be shunned. It's the risk they take when they troll.

Trolls should be shunned, nobody is denying that. But now how about we glance back at the OP, who pulled a mob by accident and was subjected to verbal abuse and public calls for ostracization... because maybe a few people might have gotten a few less points in a video game. How is THAT fair? Because THAT is the point of this thread. Not to defend people who deliberately run in and grab a mob someone else found because they know it'll get a rise out of people. To point out that the monopolizing hunt LS groups are not in any way spotless and have been taking frankly despicable actions. Hell, there's another thread in the past two days where a mob spawned directly on top of someone while they were trying to do an Alexandrite map and despite multiple pleas for help he was a) allowed to die and b) was not given a Raise spell despite pleading with everryone around for one. I'm sorry, nothing about what this thread's OP or the other's have said is acceptable behavior.

[Tiraelina]

Doesn't look like much of a witch hunt... looks like some people in a FC got caught blatantly trolling, and they paid the social consequences for it. Also, the entire FC didn't leave. Some stayed behind and are attempting to rebuild the FC's image, according to that thread.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... the drama in hunts isn't caused by the majority, it's caused by the trolls on the fringes. Some of these trolls are in hunting groups, and some of them work alone or in small numbers. Either way, trolls are trolls, and when they get caught, they deserve to be shunned. It's the risk they take when they troll.

and here we have the definition of "witch hunt".