What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

[NyarukoW]

So, sorry, a group pulling a mark before the zerg gets there, because they feel they can kill it and want a better chance at full credit, are doing nothing wrong. Period.

If gotten full credit with just 3 people in a party on A ranks even full LS there. The reset will be in no way detrimental to anyone. When the data shows everyone got full credit there will be not case to be made against resets. Deliberately trolling will be witnessed by everyone else and they can all report the troll.

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So a person that accidentally pulled a mob "deserves" to be verbally abused and blacklisted en masse?

Why do you believe that cat caused the accident for the OP? Accident does happen. People will shout their apologies and life goes on. They will let it reset and the accidental puller can be raised. This too has been done. Trolls deserves to be blacklisted in masse. Being chastised is fair game. Abusive language should be reported for verbal harassment. The GMs can make the calls on those.

Oh, it absolutely is. I'm just saying there are very few actual details given, just "I was kicked at the end of the dungeon"....

And people telling lies often will give too much detail in order embelish their story. Why do you believe one OP more than the other? Cat caused accident...? Right like I was born yesterday and the dog ate the homework. So you see I don't believe the OP.

[ispano]

If gotten full credit with just 3 people in a party on A ranks even full LS there. The reset will be in no way detrimental to anyone. When the data shows everyone got full credit there will be not case to be made against resets. Deliberately trolling will be witnessed by everyone else and they can all report the troll.

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Except it's not trolling. It's called playing the game. Waiting, if you read what the GM actually said, is up to the player. They do not have to at all. You're more than welcome to blacklist those people, but reporting them does nothing but waste GM time. Outside of very specific situations of course, and there's a reason the GM didn't mention those.

[MomomiMomi]

When the data shows everyone got full credit there will be not case to be made against resets.

The intent to disrupt another customer's game play does not require that the attempt to disrupt another customer's game play was successful. This could still be reported and investigated.

Yep. You're so right.

[NyarukoW]

Yep. You're so right.

When everyone gets full credit there is no disruption. The reset is not a disruption. The GM will have to make the determination is cases that far less obvious.

Except it's not trolling. It's called playing the game.....

I don't know why you like to play devil's advocate for the trolls. Obvious trolls are obvious. It is trolling.

[MomomiMomi]

When everyone gets full credit there is no disruption.

Which is precisely why he said the attempt need not be successful.

As a player myself, I can certainly appreciate the good intentions of resetting to try to let as many people as possible get the rewards as possible. However, that being said, the reality of these intentions have been pointed out in this thread by others: by intentionally resetting a hunt mark, you have chosen to interfere with the game play of other customers.

[NyarukoW]

Which is precisely why he said the attempt need not be successful.

First it has be proven that it was intentional. And players interacting is can always be interpreted as interfering. Resetting and allowing everyone to get full credit including the early pullers is hardly disruption. The reset was successful and everyone got credit could hardly count as disruption. This I see plenty of times. The only person that is the unhappy is the troll early puller.

.. Preventing a group from getting credit who ARE there, by resetting or whatnot, IS disruption.

Resetting does not prevent the group that is there from getting credit. This is a false claim. It lets everyone including them get credit. The troll early puller is a troll. Most of the the time they are not even a group, they are just there to cause drama. They usually shout the expletives at people after wards after being called out for their bad behavior.

[Maero]

Resetting and allowing everyone to get full credit including the early pullers is hardly disruption. The reset was successful and everyone got credit could hardly count as disruption. This I see plenty of times. The only person that is the unhappy is the troll early puller.

Wait what? I have lost full credit before because of resets, got 2 instead of the full 20 so your full of it in your claims.
I was not first to pull but decided to dps by myself with my choco.
Also rather obvious you have not read as well as people who do reset but it is against the tos
I shout out hunts if i find them out of courtesy but waiting for half the server is not at all what the hunt system was meant as, do you think real life hunters if they find a target say oh wait i have to call my neighbors to come out

[Ashkendor]

Resetting does not prevent the group that is there from getting credit. This is a false claim. It lets everyone including them get credit. The troll early puller is a troll. Most of the the time they are not even a group, they are just there to cause drama. They usually shout the expletives at people after wards after being called out for their bad behavior.

The mobs have a finite number of hit points, therefore only a finite number of people can get full credit.

I'd give an anecdote, but you'd just call me a liar anyway so what's the point?

If gotten full credit with just 3 people in a party on A ranks even full LS there.

This would never happen on a more populated server. Even in full parties, you can get minimum credit quite easily.

You are a very good troll, NyarukoW. You've successfully strung along all the people here. *clap*

Yeah, this is kind of how I'm feeling atm... luckily I'm just doing this idly between EX primal runs.

[ispano]

I don't know why you like to play devil's advocate for the trolls. Obvious trolls are obvious. It is trolling.

Why is it trolling? You've yet to prove that. Playing the game, tagging a mob for your group to kill and not waiting for half the server, is not trolling. Preventing your group from getting credit because YOU AREN'T THERE is not disruption. Preventing a group from getting credit who ARE there, by resetting or whatnot, IS disruption.