Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[silentwindfr]

the question is more, do it worth them time and money (i'm talking of SE) change the cut scene, redo the vocal part, change the code for the npc talk and such it's really long a mmorpg it's made of millions of line of code, it's why they have always soo much trouble with each patch to find every bug.

new player experience are already very good, it's time to move up and look at make better the PLAYER experience... that lacking a lot in many point.

[JakzChurchill]

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There is no thieves guild, there is only a Rogue guild which has been around for a long time, and based entirely in Limsa Lominsa, why can you not understand that? The techniques Yugiri teaches will be more akin to Ninja than Rogue.

[silentwindfr]

There is no thieves guild, there is only a Rogue guild which has been around for a long time, and based entirely in Limsa Lominsa, why can you not understand that? The techniques Yugiri teaches will be more akin to Ninja than Rogue.

recheck all the video of the 2.2 quest line, please, it's clear, but well...
Yugiri clearly say that she will be the one to teach the adventurer, when you escort her to the thief, they clearly don't let you in, they only let yugiri... because she have a fighting style close, i don't see them suddenly accept all the adventurer of eorzea when they try to be a secret guild!

Let's run with this. So Yugiri will teach us Ninja skills...before she's introduced in the story. Makes sense?

i will go farer, do you means the player will be stuck with the rogue until yugiri is there? you do remember that the class are often (almost all the time) less effective in group than the jobs.

@exstal: the trouble is they don't care for the lore, for them the lore can be adapted and changed for explain all... but sadly that don't work like this.

@JakzChruchill: they don't have to change the lore, but to continue the story... that the whole point we try to explain for soo many page! because they add something they don't change what exist already, but continue the story already present!

This is a fascinating discussion of alternate possibilities, but hasn't it already been confirmed that Rogue will be a class and Ninja a job? Classes start at 1. Jobs start at 30. If SE wants to add a third tier that starts at 50, it would be something other than a class or job. A specialty, perhaps, or a vocation, a calling, a trade (perhaps that last one works better for an advanced crafting class). Anyway, there are plenty of other terms they could find that don't already have a different meaning within the game.

technically you unlock all the class actual of the game at level 10. you will unlock the rogue and when you will switch of class she will be level 1, but how she will be unlocked that the whole point of this thread

[Exstal]

There is no thieves guild, there is only a Rogue guild which has been around for a long time, and based entirely in Limsa Lominsa, why can you not understand that? The techniques Yugiri teaches will be more akin to Ninja than Rogue.

Let's run with this. So Yugiri will teach us Ninja skills...before she's introduced in the story. Makes sense?

[Niwashi]

This is a fascinating discussion of alternate possibilities, but hasn't it already been confirmed that Rogue will be a class and Ninja a job? Classes start at 1. Jobs start at 30. If SE wants to add a third tier that starts at 50, it would be something other than a class or job. A specialty, perhaps, or a vocation, a calling, a trade (perhaps that last one works better for an advanced crafting class). Anyway, there are plenty of other terms they could find that don't already have a different meaning within the game.

[JakzChurchill]

Let's run with this. So Yugiri will teach us Ninja skills...before she's introduced in the story. Makes sense?

Who say's Yugiri even teachs us the Ninja skills, maybe she creates a type of fighting that is purely fighting based, so we meet someone else who shows us the Ninjitsu side of things before we meet Yugiri.

Look honestly i've outlined multiple scenarios where you learn the art of ninja before meeting Yugiri, and it's getting a bit aggrevating that people are making the same arguement when i'v already answered it throughout the thread.

But if you want one final explanation here you go, the Rogue guild like the Ninja guild work in secret, even the guilds themselves are very secretive, but people do gain access, this is a given. Now Yugiri comes from a warring country where there main fighting style is beffiting of scouts or spies. Now Doma would definitly had spies in Eorzea, spies who probably found the Rogue guild, and spies who fed back the information that Eorzea was the best place to bring the refuges.

But anything that's secret to Eorzea must also appear secret to Yugiri or it'd give away the fact that they were spying on Eorzea, breaking down relations between the two parties. The ninja story could easily be based around outing the spy within the Rogue guild, then learning from him/her or their contact to become a ninja. By entering the Guild you enter a pact of secrecy, where even letting people know of the spies, would let people know of the Rogue guild, so the guild would decide to deal with the issue internally.

Remember most of the time you fight solo, and if not a fighting style is just that, a fighting style. It only flagged up to Yugiri because her culture had a similar style. And my memories a bit foggy on this one but does she ever see you fight in the story, would she any reason to throw the same questions to you that she asked Thancred.

[Tupsi]

There is no thieves guild, there is only a Rogue guild which has been around for a long time, and based entirely in Limsa Lominsa, why can you not understand that? The techniques Yugiri teaches will be more akin to Ninja than Rogue.

I think it has to do with the fact there's no actual guild present. Arcanist had a guild present and worked "behind the scenes" for "many years" as part of Limsa's "foundation", even during 1.0 days.

Who say's Yugiri even teachs us the Ninja skills

The story...basically tells us she'll be our teacher since she's an important figure and her and thancred basically share the same style about - She wouldn't have been seeking to establish a 'public' guild if she was going to have no part in it.

[KingOfAbyss]

As other stated, We would start being 'accepted' into the Rogue's Guild after passing the tests. Then we lvl up, 30 comes.

Ninja's are secret spies and infiltrators. No doubt from the time they saw you being a Rogue, you catch their attention. They've followed you around and you show promises.

They want to teach you. Yugiri mentionned she would be pleased to teach and open a 'Dojo' within one of the 3 Cities.

So by the time ninja is introduced, yugiri's Story is already in place. a select few people will have been aware like the Scions that Ninjutsa is available to Heroes, and you just happen to be one.

She just openly say in the story that she volunteer to make Ninjustsa available to those that wants to learn.

Anyway, can't wait, might be only 2 more month, very excited

Simple.

[Souljacker]

This is a fascinating discussion of alternate possibilities, but hasn't it already been confirmed that Rogue will be a class and Ninja a job? Classes start at 1. Jobs start at 30.

And at some point SE is going to have to address that as well. There's currently no real *need* to ever take off a soul crystal. It's disappointing that classes are basically useless and we only play jobs anyway. I'd rather see all start at 1 and end at 50, so that the two are completely separate experiences. Ninja doesn't need to "evolve" from anything. It can start at 1. Rogue doesn't need to be a "base class" for anything, it can be its own separate experience.

There is some major retooling that will eventually need to be done because of how SE limited themselves with this current implementation. I hope they start with the new classes being released.

[Giantbane]

And at some point SE is going to have to address that as well. There's currently no real *need* to ever take off a soul crystal. It's disappointing that classes are basically useless and we only play jobs anyway. I'd rather see all start at 1 and end at 50, so that the two are completely separate experiences. Ninja doesn't need to "evolve" from anything. It can start at 1. Rogue doesn't need to be a "base class" for anything, it can be its own separate experience.

There is some major retooling that will eventually need to be done because of how SE limited themselves with this current implementation. I hope they start with the new classes being released.

You do realize how much extra work that is to make 2 separate and distinct jobs instead of one base class & the job specialization, right?

What could use some work is making the classes more all-purpose and the jobs more specialized for their role. They've sort of botched this on a number of jobs by adding job skills that aren't focused on their specialty, like DPS abilities on tank/heal jobs, utility abilities on DPS jobs or just very niche DPS abilities on DPS classes that are somewhat limited in use. Those type of unfocused abilities *should* have been part of the base class, while the job stone focused purely on abilities to strengthen the role.

It also sucks that the Novus line is job only, more encouragement to never take the job stone off.