Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[Giantbane]

And at some point SE is going to have to address that as well. There's currently no real *need* to ever take off a soul crystal. It's disappointing that classes are basically useless and we only play jobs anyway. I'd rather see all start at 1 and end at 50, so that the two are completely separate experiences. Ninja doesn't need to "evolve" from anything. It can start at 1. Rogue doesn't need to be a "base class" for anything, it can be its own separate experience.

There is some major retooling that will eventually need to be done because of how SE limited themselves with this current implementation. I hope they start with the new classes being released.

You do realize how much extra work that is to make 2 separate and distinct jobs instead of one base class & the job specialization, right?

What could use some work is making the classes more all-purpose and the jobs more specialized for their role. They've sort of botched this on a number of jobs by adding job skills that aren't focused on their specialty, like DPS abilities on tank/heal jobs, utility abilities on DPS jobs or just very niche DPS abilities on DPS classes that are somewhat limited in use. Those type of unfocused abilities *should* have been part of the base class, while the job stone focused purely on abilities to strengthen the role.

It also sucks that the Novus line is job only, more encouragement to never take the job stone off.

[Souljacker]

You do realize how much extra work that is to make 2 separate and distinct jobs instead of one base class & the job specialization, right?

Here's my take on this statement - yes it would be some work. But that is what they are paid to do, right? They are making money to make an ongoing, engaging, and fun experience for us. That's why we open our wallets. If the only argument to doing something that would clearly help not only the balance of, but the perception of, the game is "sorry, it's too hard", then SE might want to revisit the skill of their development team. I wouldn't expect it overnight. Maybe 1-2 jobs over the course of a couple of patches or even an expansion, but at some point it will have to be addressed and Yoshi-P himself has acknowledged that though he's been pretty quiet about it lately. I guess we will have his answer when ninja and rogue hit.

[KingOfAbyss]

As other stated, We would start being 'accepted' into the Rogue's Guild after passing the tests. Then we lvl up, 30 comes.

Ninja's are secret spies and infiltrators. No doubt from the time they saw you being a Rogue, you catch their attention. They've followed you around and you show promises.

They want to teach you. Yugiri mentionned she would be pleased to teach and open a 'Dojo' within one of the 3 Cities.

So by the time ninja is introduced, yugiri's Story is already in place. a select few people will have been aware like the Scions that Ninjutsa is available to Heroes, and you just happen to be one.

She just openly say in the story that she volunteer to make Ninjustsa available to those that wants to learn.

Anyway, can't wait, might be only 2 more month, very excited

Simple.

[MageBlack]

Wow, I didnt expect this much debate over it. I like some of the back and forth and the ideas coming out of this. Keep on discussing but try to keep it civil.

The one thing I think will be the end results is the class available from the chr select screen and the job at level 30 like all the others. Reason being is Yoshi-P saying he felt this was missing from the release of the game. I don't know the "how or when" of it, as in lore wise, but it will be there.

[Kayo]

lol, you guys are reading way too much into this.

[Tupsi]

lol, you guys are reading way too much into this.

Some people just actually like consistency when it comes to the story and flow of the world. "Echo" already is such a jarring element, at least let the story remain consistent

[MageBlack]

Some people just actually like consistency when it comes to the story and flow of the world. "Echo" already is such a jarring element, at least let the story remain consistent

I'm sure SE will keep it consistent, they are pretty good for story. Besides, they have a nice little loophole, the echo. That could even introduce 1.0's story as a playable expansion at a later date. Also, Yuguri said she would start training Eorzeans. That can mean, your average Erozean gets to now know about the society. The most Jarring element, for me, will be where Thancred is surprised and amazed with Yuguri's moves in a combined fight scene, "I've never seen anyone fight like that before" which would be redundant if you are a NIN playing through the story. Thancred would have seen you fight at some point...

[Cluebilly]

The most Jarring element, for me, will be where Thancred is surprised and amazed with Yuguri's moves in a combined fight scene, "I've never seen anyone fight like that before" which would be redundant if you are a NIN playing through the story. Thancred would have seen you fight at some point...

Actually I think he hasn't...I may be remembering wrong, but Thancred sort of up and disappears as early as Titan segment of the story, and before that the Player hasn't unlocked their job. Then he's gone for most of 2.0 and then in 2.1-2.2 I think he's just resting up at base. Lastly in 2.3 we split up so he could actually in fact never have seen our skills at that point. Again, I may just be remembering wrong so feel free to correct me

[MageBlack]

Actually I think he hasn't...I may be remembering wrong, but Thancred sort of up and disappears as early as Titan segment of the story, and before that the Player hasn't unlocked their job. Then he's gone for most of 2.0 and then in 2.1-2.2 I think he's just resting up at base. Lastly in 2.3 we split up so he could actually in fact never have seen our skills at that point. Again, I may just be remembering wrong so feel free to correct me

Well, you have to fight Lahabrea at the very least and Thancred never said he lost memories of that time only that he wishes he could forget. I'm sure there was other times where you fought alongside Thancred and a few other Scions but I cant remember if its pre or post 30. That could be the difference.

[Niwashi]

The most Jarring element, for me, will be where Thancred is surprised and amazed with Yuguri's moves in a combined fight scene, "I've never seen anyone fight like that before" which would be redundant if you are a NIN playing through the story. Thancred would have seen you fight at some point...

So maybe he won't say that if the player reaches that scene after ROG/NIN are added. There are already early game scenes that play out differently according to where you started the game, or which GC you join. There could just as well be late game scenes that play out differently according to when you reach them. All SE needs to ensure is that each pattern is consistent to itself. It doesn't have to be the same thing somebody else saw.