Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[JakzChurchill]

From a lore standpoint it is very true that making it a starting class would be detrimental to the story. In fact I could see the Rogue guild being completely empty until you progress further enough into the story, or else you'd have the same issue.

From the MMO standpoint, it makes sense to open this class from the get go, as some people may join the game because they heard ninja was coming, or like to keep to one class and want that to be NIN.

There is the option of your opening cutscene when you start the game as rogue involving you coming from doma then using some form of time travel so you relive the events, with the ninja story tying into why you'd need to travel back to that specific time.

Honestly I don't think the creators would want to add something that went against the story they are trying to tell, so I think you will have to progress far enough through the main quest to unlock Rogue but in the end it could go either way and it's up to the devs.

[lololink]

There is the option of your opening cutscene when you start the game as rogue involving you coming from doma then using some form of time travel so you relive the events, with the ninja story tying into why you'd need to travel back to that specific time.

Rogues doesn't come from Doma...

[JakzChurchill]

Rogues doesn't come from Doma...

I was looking at it from the Ninja perspective, as a very quick crappy idea of a way around the paradox. (something i tried to add but the character limit wouldn't let me)

My point on that being you can't gate one or the other off, and if you want to keep it faithful to the lore but at the same time allow to be open from the get go you need to use a method that involves meeting the ninjas before they are around. ala time travel. (infact screw that, time travel is not needed see below idea)

but let me rejig my crappy side step idea;

start the game as a Doman sent to the Rogue guild to see the differences between the Eorzean and Doman styles. For "plot related reason" Yugiri wants you to arrive before her and gather this information, once you have learnt all you can you start sending that info to the Doman Ninjas (guild being an instanced area out of Eorzea).

Just saying there is some crappy cop out ways of side stepping the lore issue.

[LineageRazor]

Just saying there is some crappy cop out ways of side stepping the lore issue.

Another possibility is to alter dialogue options for players who have unlocked ROG/NIN before they reach that point in the storyline. It wouldn't take much; just something along the lines of, "I've never seen that style of fighting!" to "You fight much like <your name here>!" and "I will teach you" to "I will join others in teaching you".

I make no predictions about what SE will choose to do; making the class inaccessible until that point in the storyline would be the easy method, so I find it more likely, but who knows? SE may surprise us and integrate ROG in such a way that it could be a starting class, and NIN accessible as a job before that point in the storyline.

[lololink]

start the game as a Doman sent to the Rogue guild to see the differences between the Eorzean and Doman styles. For "plot related reason" Yugiri wants you to arrive before her and gather this information, once you have learnt all you can you start sending that info to the Doman Ninjas (guild being an instanced area out of Eorzea).

Just saying there is some crappy cop out ways of side stepping the lore issue.

That couldn't work, yugiri didn't know about this guild before, what could happen is that the ninja isn't a domian refugee that would solve the problem, that would make the quests of 2.4 a little weird but wouldn't cause paradoxes.

[Omegakiyohime]

The Ninja trainer could be a Doman refugee that arrived earlier before the big blow up in Doma. They were under a Garlean occupation before the refugees rebelled, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say that there was a hidden sect in Eorzea fighting back against the Garleans much like the Ala Mihgans. As to why there would be no mention of them before 2.4, meh they would be very bad ninjas if people had a clue as to what they were doing. Rogue also has a shroud of secrecy that makes saying "They were hidden in the shadows" a viable thing to say.

Then again, if SMN/SCH storylines showed anything, you just need a couple of eager researchers and some "allagan" artifacts to teach a job.

[JakzChurchill]

Snips

Well it A: wouldn't have to be Yugiri but instead be someone else from Doma, maybe a Danzo type figure who you ultimately end up turning on (obligitory Naruto Reference), this idea keeps the fighting style out of Eorzea but allows a reason for knowing how to gain access to the Rogue guild.

or B: Yugiri had to make believe she knew nothing of the Rogue battle style or it would show they had been spying on Eorzea.

There is probably a ton of options like mine and yours, all of which will have a weird vibe, but this is something that comes with the MMO territory. Although thinking about it more, I'm starting to believe this is the correct way for SE to go, locking this content behind story progression might not be the best idea from a business standpoint.

[Nahara]

From the MMO standpoint, it makes sense to open this class from the get go, as some people may join the game because they heard ninja was coming, or like to keep to one class and want that to be NIN.

Despite what people may think about World of Warcraft and Blizzard, they were able to successfully launch the Death Knight as a Hero Class, requiring that players progress enough in the game in order to unlock it for use; in the case of Death Knights, it was achieving Lv55.

While I get that people might want to have Rogue and NIN available right out of the gate, it makes more sense if it's restricted to those who have already reached Lv50 and progressed enough in the storyline to see the introduction of Lady Yugiri and her helping found the Rogue's Guild before players are allowed to play the class.

And on top of that, I really don't see SE wanting to go back and completely re-do parts of the 2.2 storyline and re-record voiced cutscenes in order to adapt them to a situation where Rogues and Ninja had already existed in Eorzea by the time the player reaches the 2.2 storyline and meets Lady Yugiri.

[KingOfAbyss]

I wouldn't get your hype mode too high, but I'm pretty sure 2.38 will uncover another bout of the Yugiri Story, to prepare us for 2.4.. and.. that new race.

Yup - Just like when you are lvl 50 on your main and want to unlock any other classes, rogue will be the same way.

So it means we will be able to roll from scratch a new character with Rogue as Main (My intention) with the new 'yugiri's race' (it wouldn't make sense otherwise).

I want to see if the story will be different ^^

And of course before that: Getting this King into Naruto mode himself lol

I know I'm hyped

[Felis]

So it means we will be able to roll from scratch a new character with Rogue as Main (My intention) with the new 'yugiri's race' (it wouldn't make sense otherwise).

I know that rogue come with 2.4, but I can't remember that also the new playable race come with 2.4
I think the new playable race is part of the expansion pack.

Again this strange thought that somehow Yoshida, who loves making things more accessible to new players, will introduce the ability to have the NIN job and then say, "Oh, and by the way you have to have reached lvl 50 and beat the entire main scenario up to and including Levi HM, before you can actually get this highly hyped job you may have bought the game to play!"

You only need to defeat the easy Levy storymode to finish 2.2 story. Not a real problem.
The requirement would be to have finished the 2.2 storyline or the 2.3 storyline (to give Yugiri some time)

Also to "who loves making things more accessible to new players" I say only glamoure feature, where you need to be 50 with at least 1 class to unlock it.