Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[LineageRazor]

Just saying there is some crappy cop out ways of side stepping the lore issue.

Another possibility is to alter dialogue options for players who have unlocked ROG/NIN before they reach that point in the storyline. It wouldn't take much; just something along the lines of, "I've never seen that style of fighting!" to "You fight much like <your name here>!" and "I will teach you" to "I will join others in teaching you".

I make no predictions about what SE will choose to do; making the class inaccessible until that point in the storyline would be the easy method, so I find it more likely, but who knows? SE may surprise us and integrate ROG in such a way that it could be a starting class, and NIN accessible as a job before that point in the storyline.

[lololink]

start the game as a Doman sent to the Rogue guild to see the differences between the Eorzean and Doman styles. For "plot related reason" Yugiri wants you to arrive before her and gather this information, once you have learnt all you can you start sending that info to the Doman Ninjas (guild being an instanced area out of Eorzea).

Just saying there is some crappy cop out ways of side stepping the lore issue.

That couldn't work, yugiri didn't know about this guild before, what could happen is that the ninja isn't a domian refugee that would solve the problem, that would make the quests of 2.4 a little weird but wouldn't cause paradoxes.

[Kisshu]

Considering that FFXI gated ALL but the six starting jobs behind storyline quests (i.e if you wanted to be a SMN you had to start as another job and unlock SMN later)

The difference being that you only needed lv 30 out of 75 to unlock SMN in FFXI versus possible having a lv 50 job plus completed at least up to 2.2 if they gate it behind that.
The funny part is, FFXi had some wacky moments too, if you completed Zilart expansion you defeated the arch duke of Jeuno and his brother, but if you then change nation on the same character you get to meet him again, live and kicking, without any hint of him having fought you. Same thing with the Shadow Lord.

[Omegakiyohime]

The Ninja trainer could be a Doman refugee that arrived earlier before the big blow up in Doma. They were under a Garlean occupation before the refugees rebelled, so it wouldn't be a stretch to say that there was a hidden sect in Eorzea fighting back against the Garleans much like the Ala Mihgans. As to why there would be no mention of them before 2.4, meh they would be very bad ninjas if people had a clue as to what they were doing. Rogue also has a shroud of secrecy that makes saying "They were hidden in the shadows" a viable thing to say.

Then again, if SMN/SCH storylines showed anything, you just need a couple of eager researchers and some "allagan" artifacts to teach a job.

[silentwindfr]

i highly doubt that they will simply use the rogue as starting class, maybe at the 3.0, but don't get your hope to high.

a few point:
- the thief guild and the style the hero will learn are not the same, it will be a new style born from yugiri and the thief guild style, it's why she will open a dojo.
- Doman that come in scout for gather information for send them, will have no sense in regard of the story... they did flee them nation after loosing the war against the empire, i doubt they will have send troops outside doma while trying to win a war against the empire. without forget if they had planned to flee to eorzea, them arrival will have been less...risky, a lot of the doman was in bad shape after the travel.
- about the thief guild and the fact that she exist before, yep, but you seems to forget the part that they are a secret society, that will have no sense to have the warrior of the light (a famous warrior after all) use them technic soo openly.

finally, the story quest it's something you need to do for get acces to most feature of the game: airship, mount, servant, GC,... (after you unlock your GC you open acces to all the other feature like the hunt and such)
it don't seems too soo strange to ask player to advance in the story for get acces to a new class more advanced in the gameplay, from what we have seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=ppn5aGLfxSk
the sign+cooldown+position+melee will not be something easy to master.

i see the rogue/ninja like the First advanced class/jobs they add to the game.

ps: ACN/SCH/SMN, was added mostly for give to the vet of the V1 something new to do...

[JakzChurchill]

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Well it A: wouldn't have to be Yugiri but instead be someone else from Doma, maybe a Danzo type figure who you ultimately end up turning on (obligitory Naruto Reference), this idea keeps the fighting style out of Eorzea but allows a reason for knowing how to gain access to the Rogue guild.

or B: Yugiri had to make believe she knew nothing of the Rogue battle style or it would show they had been spying on Eorzea.

There is probably a ton of options like mine and yours, all of which will have a weird vibe, but this is something that comes with the MMO territory. Although thinking about it more, I'm starting to believe this is the correct way for SE to go, locking this content behind story progression might not be the best idea from a business standpoint.

[silentwindfr]

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you really think they will retcon most of the 2.1-2.2 story and make something overcomplicate like this when it's much easier to make the player do the story quest until 2.2 (maybe even 2.4)
a lot of you seems to forget an important point, the level 50 will not be the max level for very long... they will add new level, new story quest to do...
i don't see them modify the whole story only for allows new player to have acces directly to the rogue/ninja, nor see them simply blow up the whole story soo far...

[Gilraen]

Given rogue is a class I have little doubt that you can pick it as a started class once it's implemented. And, of course, once you hit 30 and have the right subclass leveled to 15 you can start your Ninja training in Revenant's Toll. With the recent live letter revelation that Ninja will be the last Job for the foreseeable future I've begun to wonder how how Yoshida intends to further develop the classes. Yes, I said classes. I don't now how many dents I've put in my desk over all the people that say, "...level their Jobs." or other great lines that make it sound like your Job replaces the classes wholly. Jobs are equipped and their abilities quested. You can unlock a Job and never do another quest for it and still get more actions and traits because your class is what's providing them. Now, the idea of advanced classes intrigues me and I would not be the least bit surprised if this is how they handle the level cap quandary. We will have to wait and see.

[Omegakiyohime]

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1. The Rogue's guild by it's official description has already been retconned into the story. It's not going to be some dojo formed because Yugiri came. This dojo stuff is just conjecture.
2. During the main story, Doma was under an occupation and not at war with the Garleans. The War broke out after the main story/defeat of Gaius when the Emperor died and the Domans thought it best to use the chaos over who would rule the Garlean Empire as an opportunity to rebel. At that point, between 2.0 -2.2, they attempt to fight back and are crushed and forced to flee. Doman spies/rebels witnessing the defeat of the Garleans in Eorzea/training in the shadows is entirely possible and would provide some more reasons for them to truly rebel.
3. The game rarely cares about what you are doing openly. Your job story has been, for the most part, independent of the main story. Whether you are the all mighty Dragoon or wielding the powers of the primals, makes little difference in the main story. You are treated as an adventurer with skills, no more no less.


As to all this XI second/advanced job nonsense, I say go play XI again. You just needed to be level 30 and then complete a quest. They didn't gate you beyond weeks of story. Sure, you couldn't unlock nin/sam until you went to Kazham, but you could buy the pass. The only gating factor was travel and whether or not you had unlocked the expansion zone, something that didn't require you to defeat the arch duke or the shadowlord.

[JakzChurchill]

you really think they will retcon most of the 2.1-2.2 story and make something overcomplicate like this when it's much easier to make the player do the story quest until 2.2 (maybe even 2.4)

Can you explain what I mentioned was a retcon? Both the class and Job are about secrecy, It's not too much of a stretch to imagine these things went on in secret.

also this is an idea to get the class open from the get go, I have previously mentioned both the option to gate it by story progression and open it from the start have reasons for being used, this was an idea to find the middle ground on that. dont break the lore but allow the class to be used from the start (something SE may have to think about when tempting new subscribers)