Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[silentwindfr]

how my argument is empty please?
i did explain why is not possible, but since it seems you need a second time let's do it from the start:

- First the rogue/ninja we will get are not the thief or the doma ninja, they are a new technique that Yugiri will teach to the adventurer (check the 2.2 story, where she said she will learn the thief way of fight and come back later for teach us) it will be something she will create, more adapted and evolved from the two style.
- before the 2.0, never ever ever any doman was seen in Eorzea, actually exept people of the empire, we had never any contact with the rest of the world. the first contact outside the empire, was the people coming for the horse years event.
- before the 2.2 story quest line, we had never any information about a thief, even thancred had trouble for leaving them and was avoiding to contact them. meaning they don't allows stranger to barge into them turf and ask them to teach them way. like any secret organization. even thancred over the whole 1.x-2.x story line have never said to be a thief, we did learn it from the 2.2. before this he was always introducing himself as a bard. (not very convincing after the fight near the lake in the 1.x story line)

anyway, all of this is almost nothing, the trouble here, it's more all of this reason make the new player starting as a rogue, a paradox, he do exist before even the style is create... or the master is here. because Yugiri is not here before the 2.1! while this time she is fighting in Doma, how she can be in two different place at the same time.

your reason is, it's unfair for the new player to have to wait for get the hand on the rogue... well i don't see it like this, i'm envious of the new player that will start with the 2.4, he didn't wait for a new class for 1 years, nor he must wait between the questline of the 2.0-2.1-2.2-2.3-2.4 like we had, he will have the whole story said in one go! from viewpoint he is lucky!

but i will be a bit more rude, all i see in your reason is "we don't care of the story" like i have said before, and Yoshi-P have said before me, this is a mmorpg driven by a deep and continous story, if you ignore this, is your right. however it's a huge miss from your part to simply toss aside the whole story and universe for allows new player to get acces to something they will have anyway.
the game start with the level 50, not with the level 1, you have all the stuff that get unlocked at this level, the progression of your character really start there. not at the level 1!

ps: i highly doubt that the rogue guild will be in limsa lominsa, since even for this city of pirate, they are... criminal. the guild (dojo) will probably be in revenant's toll. and since we can only start in the three city... one more reason (i admit it's only me saying it, but it look logical to see it like this, Revenant's toll did evolve the most in the whole 2.X quest line, get a the new class added to the city will be a normal next step. but we will see. )

Every option people who advocate for ROG/NIN to be usable as a new class has been set out purposely to not be lore breaking. Actively proving this can be done without breaking the lore, helped a lot by the class itself being based on shadow and stealth work and always being a secret.

Remember the Rogue guild is set up, Thancred is a rogue you will learn that from the same guild that taught him, guess what this guild was around before the main story and was most probably active during the main story, this isn't changing any lore it's truth.

Finally if you care so much about it breaking the story, guess what it does jack shit to your story, yours has already been told. all it takes is a bit of fleshing out the Rogue and Ninja story and boom it fits perfectly for new characters who are the ones who will experience this new view on the events, your character won't cause that part of the story has already been told to you.

blocking content of this kind behind the majority of the story only matters to new players, and it's in the players and devs best interest that this content be open from the get go.

like i have said it's not in them interest to open up the class for the new player, it will give them a reason to stay more on the game.
it's not even a good thing for the new player, since it will give them more reason to progress in the story to know that the class will be unlocked like this.

and like i have said over there, it's not the same skill than the thief guild of limsa that we will learn, but stuff from yugiri.