Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Gardes]

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Think about this for a second though. What would letting people who cant get past t5 do? T6 is arguably harder than t5 in mechanics. T5 has like double the phases of t6, sure, but only half of those phases are the actual obstacles. T6's 3 phases, each has multiple mechanics to deal with all the time and you can wipe much faster than t5 pre echo. Letting people pass through t5 by nerfing it wont suddenly open a whole new pool of content to do for these people. They'll just get stopped at t6 again.

People say that there are people that are capable of beating t5 that have not because of other people in the party bringing them down BUT, to let the former pass through t5, SE would have to let the latter pass t5 too, considering these capable players are people who would rather wait or try their luck on pugs over and over. Now, I don't use the PF for coil but if you unleash people who cannot deal with t5 mechanics into the t6 pug pool, you will still deal with the same problem in t6 pf yet /again/ and the people who have been pugging t6 for a while will get worse quality of players to deal with (I've heard from friends who pugs t6+ outside of my static because of their sporadic schedule and it's really bad, like how did these people even get past titan hm bad)

I'm not against nerfing t5 though. I just don't think it's the right time yet. Not until 2nd coil is obsolete, lockout removed, mechanics and damages nerfed after 2.4. Otherwise there would be no point to t5 nerf. I WOULD be surprised if 2.4 doesn't nerf t5 further.

[Kosmos992k]

Think about this for a second though. What would letting people who cant get past t5 do? T6 is arguably harder than t5 in mechanics.

I understand that completely. However there is a story element to the Coil, nerfing T5 into the ground - remembering that it's almost a year old now - is not un reasonable and allows the player base of mainstream or casual players to move ahead, albeit 9-12 months behind the hardcore groups. By the same token, Coil 2 (turns 6-9) would not be nerfed severely until December or later. I don't see how that could be seen as an issue by anyone who claims to believe in the challenge of the content, after all they have already beaten the content and won the challenge.

[Gardes]

I understand that completely. However there is a story element to the Coil, nerfing T5 into the ground - remembering that it's almost a year old now - is not un reasonable and allows the player base of mainstream or casual players to move ahead,

Again, there's is nothing to move forward to if they can't pass T5 mechanics. You're still going to have to wait for the t6+ nerf to make passing it worthwhile if that is your mindset. 1st Coil story isn't a huge deal and t5 clear cutscenes barely revealed anything. Just more overshadowing and minor 2nd coil hints that most players already got spoiled with. 2nd coil story is even worse in that department. There's practically nothing to reveal in T6,7 and 8. Some players can even argue that if some players just wants to sail by the content for what little story there is, watching from youtube wouldn't be that much different of an experience.