Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Sadly, SE will nerf it eventually. IMO: The problem is not the difficulty, the thing is that these battles are still somewhat fun. Nerfing them means less fun for me. As a consequence, that's content that I will not being doing anymore.

A total unrelated, yet somewhat releated story. The other night, my static was queueing T5 with 7/8 people. We tried to get some random pug their first win. We did 5 runs. 4 out of 5 were their first win. It was fun.

[Kosmos992k]

Still trying to figure out why people who have already moved into farming turns in coil 2 give a darn whether T5 is nerfed a bit more to allow others to see the story. Seriously though, I don't see how any PUG that is not both over geared and experienced in EX primals or Coil can ever hope to clear EX primals or T5 when it's undeniable that many players have laggy connections and do not have access to (or want) voice communications. The whole point of DF is to bring together random players from within a group of servers to make partying easier. Such groups will always lack the cohesion of a static, and always lack voice communication. So how can they be expected to clear T5 or EX primals with ease?

Oh, and I just love the condescending attitudes of all those people going on about how easy this content is. No, it's really not. As someone posted not so long ago, less than 10% of players in PlayStation 3/4 have completed T5. At the time they posted it was around 5%, and that was with the Echo already in place. I am so sick and tired of seeing comments made by players on this forum basically talking like everyone already has ilvl 100 gear and weapons, that everyone has cleared T5 and EX and anyone that hasn't is either bad or slow.

You guys should step down from your ivory towers, then maybe you'd realize that the majority of players are NOT like you, and you do NOT speak for the majority. I can't claim to speak for the majority either, I speak for myself. But based on the players I know and have met in-gsme since Phase 3 Beta (yes I have been here that long) I feel more than comfortable stating that the majority of players have not beaten turn 5, or the EX primals.

And finally, this...

Anyone who hasn't cleared the first 5 turns of coil or the original 3 EX primals at this point is not interested or capable of completing them as originally intended. The only reason they haven't been nerfed further is because the equipment is still technically useful. By 2.4 none of that content will offer useable equipment so it should be nerfed to the point that no effort is required.

Did you even listen to what you said? Talk about a condescending or patronizing attitude. There are plenty of players good enough to do it who are unable for various reasons to find a static to work with. Not that many established statics want to take new players anyway. Not capable or interested eh? Thanks for the insult, so pleasant and constructive. One thing that you and folks who share your opinion would do well to remember is that the gear that you dismiss as no being usable, or being obsolete or trash is perfect good for completing all of the content in the main story line and all the light party content, so it's hardly obsolete. Perhaps to the elite group who are working on Coil 2 or EX Primals, that older gear is not as useful as the ilvl 110 gear they have. But to a lot of other players who are not participating in the Great Hunt lottery of 2014, that gear is still very useful.

I don't know what happened to compassion for others or fellow feeling, but it seems to have got lost somewhere in turn 5.

[Gardes]

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Think about this for a second though. What would letting people who cant get past t5 do? T6 is arguably harder than t5 in mechanics. T5 has like double the phases of t6, sure, but only half of those phases are the actual obstacles. T6's 3 phases, each has multiple mechanics to deal with all the time and you can wipe much faster than t5 pre echo. Letting people pass through t5 by nerfing it wont suddenly open a whole new pool of content to do for these people. They'll just get stopped at t6 again.

People say that there are people that are capable of beating t5 that have not because of other people in the party bringing them down BUT, to let the former pass through t5, SE would have to let the latter pass t5 too, considering these capable players are people who would rather wait or try their luck on pugs over and over. Now, I don't use the PF for coil but if you unleash people who cannot deal with t5 mechanics into the t6 pug pool, you will still deal with the same problem in t6 pf yet /again/ and the people who have been pugging t6 for a while will get worse quality of players to deal with (I've heard from friends who pugs t6+ outside of my static because of their sporadic schedule and it's really bad, like how did these people even get past titan hm bad)

I'm not against nerfing t5 though. I just don't think it's the right time yet. Not until 2nd coil is obsolete, lockout removed, mechanics and damages nerfed after 2.4. Otherwise there would be no point to t5 nerf. I WOULD be surprised if 2.4 doesn't nerf t5 further.

[Kosmos992k]

Think about this for a second though. What would letting people who cant get past t5 do? T6 is arguably harder than t5 in mechanics.

I understand that completely. However there is a story element to the Coil, nerfing T5 into the ground - remembering that it's almost a year old now - is not un reasonable and allows the player base of mainstream or casual players to move ahead, albeit 9-12 months behind the hardcore groups. By the same token, Coil 2 (turns 6-9) would not be nerfed severely until December or later. I don't see how that could be seen as an issue by anyone who claims to believe in the challenge of the content, after all they have already beaten the content and won the challenge.

[Gardes]

I understand that completely. However there is a story element to the Coil, nerfing T5 into the ground - remembering that it's almost a year old now - is not un reasonable and allows the player base of mainstream or casual players to move ahead,

Again, there's is nothing to move forward to if they can't pass T5 mechanics. You're still going to have to wait for the t6+ nerf to make passing it worthwhile if that is your mindset. 1st Coil story isn't a huge deal and t5 clear cutscenes barely revealed anything. Just more overshadowing and minor 2nd coil hints that most players already got spoiled with. 2nd coil story is even worse in that department. There's practically nothing to reveal in T6,7 and 8. Some players can even argue that if some players just wants to sail by the content for what little story there is, watching from youtube wouldn't be that much different of an experience.

[Adler]

whining

Well I don't feel compassion for players like you that are unable for "various reasons" to beat turn 5 and ex primals. I am PS4 player that haven't beaten Titan ex and turn 5 yet - instead of bitching and whining that group content is not getting nerfed to level that it can be soloed by every fool in the entire FF universe I choose to work on my gear in all the possible ways (there are many) to help my FC to finally beat Turn 5 and Titan.
Maybe instead of whining and spending months on df never able to get even past phase 1 you should first find FC or group of friends, gear up, read a guide and then try to beat the content?
Seriously, I can't feel compassion for your type - after getting something handed to you for free you will just keep demanding even more.

[Kosmos992k]

Seriously, I can't feel compassion for your type - after getting something handed to you for free you will just keep demanding even more.

Since you know nothing about me, or who I am, your entire post is a straw man and pointless. I've worked for everything I have in this game and any other game, and always will. Pointing out the simple fact that there are many people for whom the Coil EX primals and statics are simply out of the question should not merit abuse from you or anyone else here.

[Cuervo78]

I would like to know how you would have turn 5 nerfed?
My fc did it yesterday again for fun, now everybody has so much hp that you can survive the divebombs if you fail at dodging.
Knights die so fast, they are hardly worth mentioning anymore, only thing that is still important is twisters because it is the only instant kill mechanic left.

I think most people a used to how easy the dungeons/CT are and have a problem with adapting to coil.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I would like to know how you would have turn 5 nerfed?

Remove Twisters, Divebombs, and Conflagration.

MAYBE that will satisfy them.

[Hiruke]

No way, I love people running Levi EX and Mog EX that were completely unable to complete the previous EX primals. It's not bad enough that the mounts are 1%, I have to go find people who want to run them nonstop in order to even win because if you try to DF this nonsense it's fail city because no one on earth knows how to play a video game. Clearly it's imperative to get these folks access to more content so as to guarantee nothing is possible in DF ever because you keep getting matched in DF with people who either don't know mechanics or dps in i100 gear as if they're i55. Totes legit, cool dudes.

Long story short, if you can't beat old content with vastly superior gear to what was available when it was current (since there's always new super high level welfare gear, like soldiery gear currently), you really have no business being in new content.