Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Brine_Gildchaff]

No way, I love people running Levi EX and Mog EX that were completely unable to complete the previous EX primals. It's not bad enough that the mounts are 1%, I have to go find people who want to run them nonstop in order to even win because if you try to DF this nonsense it's fail city because no one on earth knows how to play a video game.

Speaking as someone who has successfully off-tanked Leviathan EX four times, healed Mog EX twice, and seen Ramuh EX down to 34% health, but has yet to clear Titan EX (and has never even seen Ifrit EX), I strongly object to this. Titan EX is one of the most unforgiving fights in the game, and Square rightly concluded that the inability to get a group together without at least one person incapable of running out of the death cookies should not be a roadblock to challenging newer content with a very different required set of skills.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Speaking as someone who has successfully off-tanked Leviathan EX four times, healed Mog EX twice, and seen Ramuh EX down to 34% health, but has yet to clear Titan EX (and has never even seen Ifrit EX), I strongly object to this. Titan EX is one of the most unforgiving fights in the game, and Square rightly concluded that the inability to get a group together without at least one person incapable of running out of the death cookies should not be a roadblock to challenging newer content with a very different required set of skills.

Uh...what? Melusine is more unforgiving than Titan EX.

[Urielparadox]

IF anything melusina is more forgiving, she gives you plenty of time to raise and regroup between phases. A little .2 second lag will never mean the difference between life and death with her, like it means with 70% moves of titan. If anything T2 done properly is a much less forgiving fight.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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Sorry, but I disagree :/ A single mistake by someone in Melusine means an instant wipe. This is hardly true for Titan. A mistake can make you fall down, yes, but the encounter can still be completed by your companions especially with the echo buff and the current ilvl.

If you screw up during Melusine, the entire party is most likely done for.

Fail at not stoning your party? Wipe.
Fail at stoning renauds? Wipe.
Fail at Petrifaction? Wipe.
Fail at not dispelling the debuff? Wipe.

The only thing Titan EX can do to wipe the party is its Ultimate, and the dps check on the heart is a collective effort, not a personal one, so it's more lenient than 90% of Melusine mechanics.

[Gardes]

Sorry, but I disagree :/

I'm gonna have to disagree with you too. Accidental stoning doesn't always lead to a wipe. It depends who got stoned. One of our last t7s, I ran as a dragoon and got accidentally stoned by the bard, barely missing the tank. Twice in one attempt and we still won it. They give you up to 8 seconds to reach to the stoning debuffs. Way more than enough for someone with across the globe latency like me. No such thing with titan ex, gotta memorize the patterns and react pre-emptively. You ask me what melusine's rotation is, if there is one, I wouldn't know. They can all be reacted to on the spot. Circle blade doesnt even hurt that much. Melees can easily regain lost hp for not dodging it with bloodbath and no heals.

Sure, titan ex doesnt always guarantee a wipe if a few member goes off the cliff, but that still depends on who gets shot off the platform too. Plus the slide aoe is big and there's also bombs that also tends to catch multiple people. Yeah sure, t7 has mechanics designed to cause a wipe intentionally, so does t8 but that turn requires much much less twitch reaction and depends way less on the player's latency. Plus you're taking echo into account. It's just not a fair comparison.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you too. [...] Plus you're taking echo into account. It's just not a fair comparison.

I guess it all comes down to personal experience, then.

At any rate, we are talking about the situation NOW, so the presence of echo in extreme primals cannot be disregarded. Echo is already a huge buff to dps, healing and tank checks, which is of course not present in Second Coil.

Content IS ALREADY easier than how it was at the beginning.
Where do we draw the line? At what point can we finally say "ok, this can't really get more easier than this without completely destroying the nature of the encounter"?

Honestly, no matter how much you nerf content, there will ALWAYS be someone who finds it too difficult despite all the nerfs. And while I absolutely agree on the fact that older content should become progressively easier as time goes on (which is something that naturally happens due to ilvl increase), I do not think that everything should become 100% faceroll.
It's just counterproductive and definitely not fun. If SE nerfs extreme primals or t5 more, in a short while we will have hordes of people whining that t6 is too hard. Then t7. Then t8. And on and on and on.

Hell, it's not even a matter of being casual or not. At this point it's just a matter of being able to ****ing play a game that does not ask you to just slam your cat against the keyboard.
My FC is not hardcore by any stretch of imagination, we are all adults with real life relationships and full time jobs - yet we are on t9, after of course months of sweating and swearing. What good would it do having easier content? We would just burn out quicker and we would end up finding another game to play.

Making things too easy is detrimental, in the long run.

[Demus]

ITT: Give bads a free pass on easier content so they can show up in your PUGs for harder content.

[HeroSamson]

Hey the ones who completed T5 you need to shut up, the simple fact you weeded out probably the players who had issues with T5 just to win the fight doesn't mean you are skilled, it means you took a easy route.

I have done T5 and see a few issues with that fight.

Twintania is out of view you can't see which way it divebombs for one even with camera zoomed out.

People press up perfectly against the wall, though even when the icon appears and everyone runs out perfect they end up being hit.

Echo buff don't make me laugh, that is a smoke screen to make you feel comfortable there is no way it helps out with this fight.

ps3 or someone who may still have a GT graphics card or use a laptop that doesn't run at 60 frame per sec will not see things exactly as you see them, when the icon appears it could be late for them causing people to move slow.

What cracks me up is the ones who won, those people probably weeded out the bad players and went to PF for a easy no hassle run and act like they are bad ass but suck because they have to rely on other good players to pass something.

I wouldn't gloat if I were you, try beating it with some messed up players or no chat program then come gloat.

[Gardes]

Hey the ones who completed T5 you need to shut up, the simple fact you weeded out probably the players who had issues with T5 just to win the fight doesn't mean you are skilled, it means you took a easy route.

So why can't you? You admit that there are bad players out there in DF but you chose not to try to find the good players and keep mingling with the bad players? Why? What sense of pride would you get from beating content with these people, no, STRANGERS? What difference is there, when you roll around for dozens of hours sporadically in DF until you hit jackpot and win t5/titan ex in one duty, versus you spending dozens of hours finding people that are equal or better than you and then beating t5/titan ex in one duty with them? You're still 'wasting time'.

[HeroSamson]

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I stick with them till the end of time win or lose I don't leave cause I can't win.

Not really because there are no good players in this game only the ones who go in blind, because then you wouldn't rely on video, wouldn't rely on others who have already done it.

Going in blind and figuring it out those are the good players.

when you don't run something at the same framerate as everyone else expect mess ups.

To tell someone you beat it and stop asking for hand outs, what did you guys do? did you go ask other players who knew what they were doing for help? sounds like a hand out.

they pay money for SE to produce content, so them asking for something is it wrong, you beat the content right so whats the problem?

I mean SE will some how make a hard mode and a extreme probably later.