Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Makado]

This is how I see this issue. We play a MMORPG that gives you tools to use, with some that have a much higher success rate (free companies, statics, party finder). When a player chooses to use the lowest rate of success, that is there own choice. Content should not be lowered just because some players make the choice to not use what's available to them. I'm not sure what peoples issue is when they play these games but refuse to take the better winning solutions.

[kyuven]

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Latency isn't something you can reliably control all the time, and is worse for some bosses than for others. Giving even an extra half second on these attacks would make all the difference in the world without objectively affecting the difficulty. You still gotta dodge, you're just not completely screwed if your connection sneezes.

[MrSmiley]

I cant explain the maount of people I see messing stuff up in DF, as a tank its easiest for me to see DPS and when I see dragoons using only full thrust combos or monks never moving form the flank...they just aren't trying, and I dont think its fair to hand wins to people who have no intention of trying, that would takes away the point entirely. They have been nerfed, we have echo, we have better gear. It's more than enough, I just wish people would stop watching tv while raiding extreme+ content -_-

[Dano]

SE will most likely further nerf coil 1 when coil 3 comes out so stay tune. To be honest, if they want to make the fight easy as in people can clear it in one or two tries they'll need to severely nerf the mechanics, like removing all the one shoot mechanics ie: Conflags, Twister, Divebombs to the wall..etc. They should just make it a tank and spank fight with the occasional AoE to dodge.

[Vinroke]

SE will most likely further nerf coil 1 when coil 3 comes out so stay tune. To be honest, if they want to make the fight easy as in people can clear it in one or two tries they'll need to severely nerf the mechanics, like removing all the one shoot mechanics ie: Conflags, Twister, Divebombs to the wall..etc. They should just make it a tank and spank fight with the occasional AoE to dodge.

Absolutely not. Each and everyone one of those mechanics can be recovered from in case of accidental death (yes, even twisters)
Removing those mechanics would merely replace t5 as a roadblock with t6+ as a roadblock to 3rd Coil.

[MeiUshu]

yep I understand this, but I still have the impression that the echo doesnt really add up anything at all neither int erms of damage received, inflicted and even less in heals...I wish I could record, alas I have yet to find a way to do that...but the day I can do so I will just compare damage received and inflicted with and without, I sincerely believe that echo adds difficulty rather then helping, either ways, if you face a sneeze in latency, server lag, you just are screwed either with or without echo. Reaction time needs/should be adjusted even if only by half a second, it would make a huge difference without breaking anything, those that dont sufer from latency/server lag, wont have problems either ways, but for those that have that handicap because it is a handicap it would make a hell of a lot of difference and by that allow all to enjoy the fight and have less frustrated people on both sides of the fence.

Just me though

Mei

[micropanther7]

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I agree with the majority, shouldn't be nerfed at all if its been nerfed already. But I feel I have to quibble with term casual. A bad player is bad, not because he only plays a few hours a week, it's because they plain suck, no matter how little or much they play! I've known people who are on a tight schedule who may only get a few hours to play a week, yet when they're on they put in 100% to beating all content without having people to hold their hands. Excuse me pointing you out in particular, I've seen other people do it as well, and it just baffles me as to why people equate a lack of play time with being completely useless and lazy Oo

As to people who are slower to learn... I'd recommend them staying away from gaming, because of the attitude of other players.

[Parawill]

The primary reason echo has been placed is to not water down old-content to the point where new end-game content becomes beyond black and white to the "casual gamer." So instead of fighting very easy fights, you'll be against mechanics that will (and should) get you ready for the next piece of content.

I still have the impression that the echo doesnt really add up anything at all neither int erms of damage received, inflicted and even less in heals...

Hitpoints/health points increase marginally, and DPS requirements are met through the echo buff by compensating optimal DPS rotations (and the rare minimum requirement iLvL characters) with raw stats. If you do Titan Extreme Mode, you can easily solo-heal that as a White Mage even with your entire party taking one super bomb into Titan's jump. Just requires cooldown management (Divine Seal) and two Cure IIIs! And this is all thanks to the echo buff.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Unfortunately I must admit that OP is just one of many thinking like this.
Me and my FC helped a new FC mate get through Turn 5 yesterday evening, but we had to pug a random DPS.
We got a dragoon who must have been around ilvl 100 judging from his gear, yet he failed at basic stuff like conflags, divebombs and twisters. He swiftly abandoned the group after whining (luckily for us, I must say).

There are lots of people who believe that their gear makes the difference. Lots of people who think that they should be able to roflstomp content just because they pay a subscription.

[Nicobo]

To those saying those contents are too easy now,
I would suggest you try to pug it in DF.
You may find now it is harder to clear than it was new ^^;