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    Player
    Alexander_Dragonfang's Avatar
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    Alexander Dragonfang
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    Zalera
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Every content in this game should have a "Normal" Mode, call it, "Story Mode". Im talking about Coils more exactly, Primals already do. But Coils keep a good part of the story/lore of the game and many players can`t see that part of the content not because they are bad players, but because they are unequipped, can`t commit to a static, don`t find players of same liking, etc, etc, etc and on top of that, they are not skilled enough.

    Both Coils should recive a normal mode, maybe instead of Allagan or High Allagan gear they should just get myth and soldiery rewards, to not trivialize even further the adquisition of oils/sands/UAT.

    That said, i haven`t put a single foot on T6.
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    Derek Hale
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
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    Coils don't have a "normal" mode because they are designed to be end-game content.

    primals story mode are not even considered normal modes, nowadays.
    that's why a storymode Leviathan/ramuh/moogle doesn't even exist.

    the point is. what do you need an easier coil for? to learn mechanics for the "hard" mode?
    dodging everything in Titan HM doesn't make you able to dodge everything in Titan EX
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defteros View Post
    the point is. what do you need an easier coil for? to learn mechanics for the "hard" mode?
    dodging everything in Titan HM doesn't make you able to dodge everything in Titan EX
    it does teach you mechanics like bombs. had a friend start recently, we carried him through Titan HM and when EX came around he didn't even know what landslide was let alone the basic bomb patterns and baiting landslide during bombs.
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    Player Adler's Avatar
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    Adler Lett
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    What can I say. I have a colleague at my work who when asked to do something he doesn't quite understand will always start the "I don't know this. Nobody has explained this to me before" or "This is ridiculous" or "Why we even need to do it, it just make no sense". Then a scared trainee is asked to do the thing and with no guides or explanations he complete the task perfectly BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY THOUGHT OUT WHAT HE HEARD AND SAW and put an effort in what he was asked to do.
    The "casual players" that constantly ask for handouts because of their laziness to simply try to observe and learn remind me of this dude - that guy who has had years to learn simple things and still don't know anything, getting bested by inexperienced first timers.
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    Peony Foxbriar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adler View Post
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    I agree with the majority, shouldn't be nerfed at all if its been nerfed already. But I feel I have to quibble with term casual. A bad player is bad, not because he only plays a few hours a week, it's because they plain suck, no matter how little or much they play! I've known people who are on a tight schedule who may only get a few hours to play a week, yet when they're on they put in 100% to beating all content without having people to hold their hands. Excuse me pointing you out in particular, I've seen other people do it as well, and it just baffles me as to why people equate a lack of play time with being completely useless and lazy Oo

    As to people who are slower to learn... I'd recommend them staying away from gaming, because of the attitude of other players.
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    Last edited by micropanther7; 07-30-2014 at 05:57 PM.

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    the bomb pattern in titan HM are way different compared to Titan EX.
    yes, you learn the basics doing the easy mode, but you still have to learn how to play around Titan EX.
    might as well farm training party for Titty EX, at this point. Even more if you got carried through titan HM.

    I got carried throug titan HM too, the first time I did it...
    now, after countless tries of titan ex, when I get to play titty HM for secondary class relic, it feels like a joke.
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    Ezariel Bayne
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    actually the echo buffs makes some fights far harder than they originally were.

    Leviathan extreme is near impossible with a fully geared group and 25%

    Twintania is much the same. You end up with all kinds of mixed up phases.

    Moogle Mog Extreme is far harder with the echo, it is so much easier to make mistakes and push a lesser moogle too far by accident.

    Because of the phase based nature of bosses, the echo is actually a detriment.
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    Saa'li Detria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipsed View Post
    actually the echo buffs makes some fights far harder than they originally were.

    Leviathan extreme is near impossible with a fully geared group and 25%

    Twintania is much the same. You end up with all kinds of mixed up phases.

    Moogle Mog Extreme is far harder with the echo, it is so much easier to make mistakes and push a lesser moogle too far by accident.

    Because of the phase based nature of bosses, the echo is actually a detriment.
    You can cancel the buff if it's presenting you any problems, you know. The bigger question, then, is why is a group of fully geared individuals wiping enough to get to 25% in the first place.
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    Ezariel Bayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by VitaminMT View Post
    You can cancel the buff if it's presenting you any problems, you know. The bigger question, then, is why is a group of fully geared individuals wiping enough to get to 25% in the first place.
    hunts, etc... there are a ton of people out there who have tons of gear and can do tons of dps as a result. However while they can push the buttons in the right order and have great gear now, they still can't execute mechanics which is something that the echo makes even harder to do in this situation.
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    Soveia Shadowsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclipsed View Post
    Moogle Mog Extreme is far harder with the echo, it is so much easier to make mistakes and push a lesser moogle too far by accident.
    Same thing with the hard mode. If tank pushes the king too fast before the other moogles are down, he auto-enrages. Of course, this pretty much requires a tank in full STR jewellery, which is not a common sight in DF.
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