Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Evangela]

I think the problem is some fight that has more than 2 or 3 phases, like Titan, Turn 4 and 5 of the first Coils.

casual players and first timers may learned about the fights after 2-3 wipes and be able to clear it eventually. and experienced players can explain them about the mechanics. but if it's a fight that has more than 3 phases, it almost impossible to explain everything and defeat it in 3-4 attempts. telling casuals to go watch a video on youtube is not gonna help because they're casuals. why do they have to do research just to play games? they'll just give up.

[Ilitsa]

I think the problem is some fight that has more than 2 or 3 phases, like Titan, Turn 4 and 5 of the first Coils.

casual players and first timers may learned about the fights after 2-3 wipes and be able to clear it eventually. and experienced players can explain them about the mechanics. but if it's a fight that has more than 3 phases, it almost impossible to explain everything and defeat it in 3-4 attempts. telling casuals to go watch a video on youtube is not gonna help because they're casuals. why do they have to do research just to play games? they'll just give up.

I think you're mistaking casuals with bad players. Big difference. Not every "casual" is bad, just as not every "hardcore" player is good. You have both walks of life in both categories.


That being said, i have to ask, why is it always if someone isn't in a raiding fc, they're casual? Is there really no middle ground?

[IamBenpi]

I would like all the stores this Christmas to give me whatever their Black Friday door-buster prize is, even if I show up a few days later. I mean I buy stuff from them just like everyone else so I should get the same things those people who camped out on a hard sidewalk for two days in the freezing cold got. Sure they put forth some effort, but hey, they got to have it first and feel special, so now it's my turn, but that standing in line stuff and getting to the store early sounds like it requires effort.

Sounds like I want the same thing other people got, without putting forth the same effort doesn't it? Guess what, SE already allows you to do that. If The above situation were FFXIV, you'd be able to get the door-buster all the way until next Christmas when the previous year's prize was old news. And what I take away when I read a thread like this is the equivalent of asking for that, plus being able to have the prize delivered to your house as long as you pay for shipping, kinda like a subscription fee.

I'm all for making older content easier, but there has to be a limit.

[Kyana]

For most content the echo buff is kinda useless and can even create more problems by skipping phases.
I think giving players more time to dodge certain attacks (and yes, lag exists) would help more than the echo buff.
Because what kills people are things like plumes, landslide, twister, eruption, divebombs...

[Zarzak]

giving players more time to dodge certain attacks (and yes, lag exists

Then don't attempt them when your lagging.

You always lag you say? Then your playing the wrong game.

No one picks up...... Bioshock for PC (1st thing I could think of... I don't buy single player games often) pops it into their windows 98 and says "3 FPS......2K Games I DEMAND YOU MAKE THE GAME EASIER SO I CAN PLAY ON MY 3 FPS MACHINE!!"

You know what they do? What any rational person should. "Welp looks like my computer isn't good enough to run this time to play something else"

If FFXIV lags so badly at all times that you can't reliably handle "boss is casting X.. I should move". You need to play something your setup can handle.

[kyuven]

*snip*

Latency isn't something you can reliably control all the time, and is worse for some bosses than for others. Giving even an extra half second on these attacks would make all the difference in the world without objectively affecting the difficulty. You still gotta dodge, you're just not completely screwed if your connection sneezes.

[Kyana]

Then don't attempt them when your lagging.

You always lag you say? Then your playing the wrong game.

No one picks up...... Bioshock for PC (1st thing I could think of... I don't buy single player games often) pops it into their windows 98 and says "3 FPS......2K Games I DEMAND YOU MAKE THE GAME EASIER SO I CAN PLAY ON MY 3 FPS MACHINE!!"

You know what they do? What any rational person should. "Welp looks like my computer isn't good enough to run this time to play something else"

If FFXIV lags so badly at all times that you can't reliably handle "boss is casting X.. I should move". You need to play something your setup can handle.

Oh, you're one of these.

Well, maybe every developer/publisher should place a big "Don't buy if you lag!" sticker on every copy.
Oh, and let's tell PS3 players "Sorry but you can't play this game because your PS3 isn't good enough to play a PS3 game."
How about "Minimum requirements: move to Japan or Canada"?

Seriously, that's your answer to a common problem of online games?
To reduce lag you should upgrade your computer? LOL
So, if someone upgrades his graphics card, that person magically moves closer to the server? I mean, that can't be what you think, right?
latency =/= frames per second

There ARE ways to pretty much eliminate these issues, but they require more bandwith and put more stress on the servers.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

stuff

You can use external tools to fix the issue tho. VPN services work wonders, trust me.

Anyway, what many people asking for nerfs are failing to grasp is that actually WORKING and SWEATING in order to succeed is what makes a challenge fun.
If everyone and his mother could be able to clear t9, it simply would not be fun anymore. The game would be a Diablo with less loot.

There is already A LOT of easy content in this game. Really hard content, nowadays, is limited to Second Coil of Bahamut. Please leave it alone.

[Darus]

I DFed Thornmarch extreme with no problem.

The PROBLEM here is something even the most hard core static groups mentioned.

The boss battles have FAR too many insta kill mechanics and super damage (normally insta kill) hits. Instead of a fight, it becomes a sort of memory reaction game, that is a bit more stressful than fun. If anyone of your team dies, it generally kills the whole team. This is why DF fails and only preformed groups have any real chance. A bunch of random people and new players won't be in sync to take on these heavy hitters. Once a healer or tank dies, it's game over most of the time. This style of bosses is incredibly troubling and problematic for the style of gameplay.

So the problem is not with how DF is, it's with how boss fights are structured. The player base merely adjusted to this issue by relying on preformed parties for a much higher % of serious attempts instead.

[Eldelphia]

I'd like to think the Duty Finder is not just a tool for getting practice, but a way to experience the game's content in a more casual way without all the politics that come with Free Companies.

A way to extend DF time would also be nice. So many times a DF group hammers out all the mechanics just to run out of time.

Practise in Duty Finder and then set up a party finder group. Make sure you're confident with the mechanics of the fights. I absolutely hate the Extremes but I've gotten at least three sets of wins (and a lot more Garuda Ex wins).

I think there's room for a style change in fights going forward but I struggled with Titan HM and got it eventually. Titan Ex is a horrible fight and even experienced groups hate it. There are other ways to gear up now. Gear up using ST and Hunts and then go back to these fights. It all helps.