If people can 4 man it now, I'm sure 8 persons putting some semblance of effort can do it.I'm not sure why people really say twin was nerfed to the ground. The fight was much more mechanics based then purely DPS check and it still is. Echo only lightened some DPS efforts and with slightly less mob HPs. T5 wasn't really made that much easier. You still die to conflags +fireballs , twisters, divebombs, dreadknights, not much that a slight HP nerf to snakes influences.
Twintania is a joke these days... We usually 7-man this even at full 90. We left ppl out of the fire wall for safer carry. We solo healed and tanked it in 7 minutes. We solo tanked with a warrior, only a stun to dreadkinght... Even divebombs are recoverable now, the only killer mechanic is still Twister.
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You must understand that DF is NOT for clearing difficult content. You the user are partially to blame for trying to clear T5,EX via DF when the fastest route would probably be getting in a active FC, L2, and CONSTANTLY join/make PF For T5/EX.
you will eventually meet competent players in PF that are able to get to twister, send them a Tell after is all done/add to friend list till u eventually get enough people to clear it.
The PROBLEM with DF is that this game is constantly getting NEW 50's or lazy players that will DF T5/EX and have absolutely not clue on what they are doing. they never look at a guide/watch a video. and it only takes this ONE person to fck everything up, specially if is a healer/tank.

If you're moaning about divebombs in T5 you will never survive T9 never mind the previous turns before it.
Next it will be "AMG RAVENS HITS TO HARD NERF PLZ" followed by "Why do I have to move when I get lighting on me during P4 its so OP AMG I just want to auto attack the boss and watch Spongebob"
P.S A MASSIVE marker comes above the players head during divebombs, go to Specsavers if you have trouble seeing it.
Already beat it back in 2.1. Its old news to me. I'm complaining as a person who knows how to do the fight, but doesn't really like the thing all that much. Also, you don't know cheap unless you did Twintania back in 2.0. The twisters, Duke, the twisters!If you're moaning about divebombs in T5 you will never survive T9 never mind the previous turns before it.
Next it will be "AMG RAVENS HITS TO HARD NERF PLZ" followed by "Why do I have to move when I get lighting on me during P4 its so OP AMG I just want to auto attack the boss and watch Spongebob"
P.S A MASSIVE marker comes above the players head during divebombs, go to Specsavers if you have trouble seeing it.

This reminds me of that one time I was born, I literally walked out of the womb and started dancing ballet while reciting complex math equations. Wait, no. That didn't happen because I learned to do things. Practice makes perfect...or for some unfortunate people it doesn't. /shrug

Content should not need echo nor nerfs to reduce the difficulty unless its completely impossible for someone to beat it like twintania in the beginning, the content in this game is not hard even if you're a monkey, a monkey could beat the content in this game stop crying for nerfs cause you can't beat a fight and just learn how to do it.

I agree with the elitists on this one and this is a straight out in favor of them argument, hands down. The old-content has been nerfed and we have got echo buff on top of that.
It is getting extremely irritating and tiresome that 90% percent of Duty Finders do NOT even watch a youtube video - Here https://www.youtube.com/user/Xehanort1227. Problem solved.
No one is perfect but PLEASE stop entering expecting to be trained fully or be explained fully of the fight. This self-entitlement is ridiculous, disrespectful and insulting. No one is a perfect player at first, including myself and I have done mistakes as well. But just stop entering (EXtreme fights anyone) repeatedly (same players after multiple wiped groups) begging to be carried. You are going to be flamed as hard as possible and rightly so because if you do lack the basic common sense of extreme/endgame content = must do my homework then you are the only person to blame. No one else, not the game (which is a challenging one for the new players so there is no excuse to blame the game), it is you and only you. Get it hard-wired into your DNA. You can't force others to do your job.
The worse of you are the silent types. All my hate goes to you because you don't even bother to say that "I am new" or even ask "So how does this fight work?", "Why did I die?", "What do I have to do?". Instead you embrace this stupidious gold silence of yours and wipe the rest of the group until you repeat and repeat and in some extreme situations, the whole group cannot progress or succeed because of one player.
FFXIV is not that type of game.
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