this is getting Ridiculous

[Taruranto]

And you had extremely low drop rate on anything you wanted as a result.

And I could play with my friends every night, instead of looking at PF and sighing that I can't join this coil group or say to my friends I can't help them with T6.

Halting the progress so that there is enough content for people to do in between patches.

There isn't enough content anyway.

It would be ridiculous for everyone to run around in full soldiery and coil gears in less than two weeks after a patch.

No, it wouldn't. Who cares? People are already in Full soldiery a month after the patch. I'm throwing myth items at my alts I don't even use. After you do coil in game there is shit to do, other than hunts.

Most lockouts exists for a reason and a good one.

Nope, it's a stupid reason unless you are a white-knight that think SE could do no wrong. People want to play with their friends, they want to pace themselves, they don't want to play the 8-man-static game or the log-once-per-week game.

[Nestama]

If there is one thing iv'e learned over 40 years of working, it's that money truly talks and BS truly walks, which option do you think they'll do.?

Didn't stop them from banning 550 players over the Salvage/Assault exploit in FFXI.

[Wulfyn]

The thing with NMs in FFXI was that eventually NM drops were changed because of the camping due to the fact they were sellable. A source of gil for farmers none the least. The changes made it so drops did become available to everyone who could claim the mob and kill it. You still had to compete for claims with rivals but was still better than them being overcamped.

Whats occurring with elites is these hunt ls's seem to feel entitled to every spawn including the weekly. They wont tell you if it's up where it is or even invite you so you can get full credit. On Behemoth it is apparently a big secret now. They don't give a damn someone like me still needs the weekly credit. So is it alright for them to screw players like me over' to deny me my right to 20+ seals? Yea they sure show courtesy and are not selfish.

[Kinseykinz]

The griefing comes from the verbal abuse those who didn't get credit for the kill, didn't get there in time so proceed to pollute chat with obscenities. Funny thing is that I've noticed is those most vocal about missing out are usually the ones who pull as soon as they see it.

But, we as a community should start reporting those players that throw out abusive and foul insults due to their feelings of entitlement.

As, without checking, foul language that is being used after in open chat is a reportable offence.

I understand that a lot of the 'griefing' that is really happening is the abusive and foul name-calling (on both sides btw). I was directly responding to the person's situation I quoted. The /sh/t/s abusive language that is also happening is of course, also harassment and punishable, but it's a different thing that what the poster I was responding to was implying. If people think that they can report anyone who pulls 'early' simply for pulling and that person will be somehow punished, they are wrong. But yes, if that same person turns around and starts taunting them/harassing them or being unpleasant (assuming they weren't provoked into it) then yes, they can get in trouble as they are harassing people. But if a GM takes actions against them, it was never for 'early pulling', it was for the namecalling and nastyness that they said after it.

[Dwill]

And I could play with my friends every night, instead of looking at PF and sighing that I can't join this coil group or say to my friends I can't help them with T6.

And you can still play with your friend every night now. What were you doing every night anyway in FFXI that you considered raiding to begin with, seeing as to how Dynamis and Limbus were both at 3 days lockout each at release and for quite awhile after ?

There isn't enough content anyway.

There is a big difference between content that you don't want to do and lack of content.

No, it wouldn't. Who cares? People are already in Full soldiery a month after the patch. I'm throwing myth items at my alts I don't even use. After you do coil in game there is shit to do, other than hunts.

Using hyperbole won't do you any good. It takes 10 weeks to get a full gear set of soldiery, weapon excluded. Also, you are throwing myths on alts when you don't even have a Novus yet so I am inclined to believe that you are either ignoring content unwillingly or are just ignoring it because you don't want to do it but again, this refer to my previous statement: There is a difference between content that you don't want to do and content that exists.

Nope, it's a stupid reason unless you are a white-knight that think SE could do no wrong.

I'm sorry but I really can't take you seriously with a statement as ridiculous and childish as this. There is a plethora of things I think Square Enix did wrong so I highly doubt me disagreeing with you makes me some kind of white knight.

People want to play with their friends, they want to pace themselves, they don't want to play the 8-man-static game or the log-once-per-week game.

You can easily pace yourself at a decent speed and play with your friend everyday, just not rushing and getting everything done in less than two weeks. I mean, if you are complaining right now about lack of content with lockouts, one can easily figure out how even worse it would be with no lockout.

[Taruranto]

And you can still play with your friend every night now. What were you doing every night anyway in FFXI that you considered raiding to begin with, seeing as to how Dynamis and Limbus were both at 3 days lockout each at release and for quite awhile after ?

No, I can't. I can't do Coil every night with my friends and I can't help them with it. I could do Sky, Sea, Dynamis, Limbus and Odin's Chamber in XI with them though. You are not playing a MMROPG, you are playing the 8 men lockout game, log in every monday.

"B-BUT SEA AND SKY ARE NOT RAIDING!!!"

Who gives a shit, they were worthwhile and signification endgame content worth doing. Unlike CT and Ramuh.

There is a big difference between content that you don't want to do and lack of content.

There is a big difference between content worth to do and content not worth doing.

Using hyperbole won't do you any good. It takes 10 weeks to get a full gear set of soldiery, weapon excluded. Also, you are throwing myths on alts when you don't even have a Novus yet so I am inclined to believe that you are either ignoring content unwillingly or are just ignoring it because you don't want to do it but again, this refer to my previous statement: There is a difference between content that you don't want to do and content that exists.

46/75 Alex for Animus, riiiiight.

I'm sorry but I really can't take you seriously with a statement as ridiculous and childish as this. There is a plethora of things I think Square Enix did wrong so I highly doubt me disagreeing with you makes me some kind of white knight.

Sorry, but the reasons why content lockout is bullshit are been examined multiple times. Only the worst SE fanboy are willing to defend this bullshit. Them or casual that afraid hardcore will progress too much leaving them behind.

You can easily pace yourself at a decent speed and play with your friend everyday,

No, you can't. Don't you read people complaining they can't play with their FC members every day on this forum or how they log and had nothing to do because they capped Coil on first day (or they have static and can't join random pug or friends and progress with them)

"Hey friend, can you help me with T6?" "Nope, sorry, cause Yoshi doesn't want me to gear that much or play you ya :^)"

Heck, they could also solve the problem by using a model similar to CT for coil, but again, NOPE.

"B-BUT PEOPLE WOULD SELL RUNS!!"

2 words: who cares.

just not rushing and getting everything done in less than two weeks.

Actually, you can do everything in less than two weeks. 2.1 complete extremes the first week, complete CT, complete the new dungeons... after it just became the "log on monday" game.

I mean, if you are complaining right now about lack of content with lockouts, one can easily figure out how even worse it would be with no lockout.

Or maybe it would be better. People would log out to do coil with their friends. Gear up their alts.

With hunts, that allows me to play and gear up as much I want,I'm playing more.

[Souljacker]

Hunts are still broken and I'm surprised that SE doesn't see it. The JP side must not be complaining at all. Is there anyone who reads that forum that can confirm their take on the matter? I tried to run it through Google translate but spent more time laughing than seriously parsing what they were saying.

[Kuwagami]

Hunts are still broken and I'm surprised that SE doesn't see it. The JP side must not be complaining at all. Is there anyone who reads that forum that can confirm their take on the matter? I tried to run it through Google translate but spent more time laughing than seriously parsing what they were saying.

JP side has no problem with hunts because they know their place. If they miss a mark (i.e, the finder pulled when he thought enough people were here), they don't rage, they go search the next mark.

I wonder why NA/EU always have the biggest trolls/flamers/haters.

[Souljacker]

Because we aren't beaten into submission and actually express our thoughts when something is so broken it excludes others arbitrarily and for no good reason?

If JP side truly thinks that hunts are perfect as they are, then that explains why SE doesn't care. They will never change something just because NA\EU thinks it's a problem.

[ispano]

Because we aren't beaten into submission and actually express our thoughts when something is so broken it excludes others arbitrarily and for no good reason?

If JP side truly thinks that hunts are perfect as they are, then that explains why SE doesn't care. They will never change something just because NA\EU thinks it's a problem.

No, it's because JP players play it the way it was intended to be played.