this is getting Ridiculous

[Taruranto]

And you had extremely low drop rate on anything you wanted as a result.

And I could play with my friends every night, instead of looking at PF and sighing that I can't join this coil group or say to my friends I can't help them with T6.

Halting the progress so that there is enough content for people to do in between patches.

There isn't enough content anyway.

It would be ridiculous for everyone to run around in full soldiery and coil gears in less than two weeks after a patch.

No, it wouldn't. Who cares? People are already in Full soldiery a month after the patch. I'm throwing myth items at my alts I don't even use. After you do coil in game there is shit to do, other than hunts.

Most lockouts exists for a reason and a good one.

Nope, it's a stupid reason unless you are a white-knight that think SE could do no wrong. People want to play with their friends, they want to pace themselves, they don't want to play the 8-man-static game or the log-once-per-week game.

[Dwill]

And I could play with my friends every night, instead of looking at PF and sighing that I can't join this coil group or say to my friends I can't help them with T6.

And you can still play with your friend every night now. What were you doing every night anyway in FFXI that you considered raiding to begin with, seeing as to how Dynamis and Limbus were both at 3 days lockout each at release and for quite awhile after ?

There isn't enough content anyway.

There is a big difference between content that you don't want to do and lack of content.

No, it wouldn't. Who cares? People are already in Full soldiery a month after the patch. I'm throwing myth items at my alts I don't even use. After you do coil in game there is shit to do, other than hunts.

Using hyperbole won't do you any good. It takes 10 weeks to get a full gear set of soldiery, weapon excluded. Also, you are throwing myths on alts when you don't even have a Novus yet so I am inclined to believe that you are either ignoring content unwillingly or are just ignoring it because you don't want to do it but again, this refer to my previous statement: There is a difference between content that you don't want to do and content that exists.

Nope, it's a stupid reason unless you are a white-knight that think SE could do no wrong.

I'm sorry but I really can't take you seriously with a statement as ridiculous and childish as this. There is a plethora of things I think Square Enix did wrong so I highly doubt me disagreeing with you makes me some kind of white knight.

People want to play with their friends, they want to pace themselves, they don't want to play the 8-man-static game or the log-once-per-week game.

You can easily pace yourself at a decent speed and play with your friend everyday, just not rushing and getting everything done in less than two weeks. I mean, if you are complaining right now about lack of content with lockouts, one can easily figure out how even worse it would be with no lockout.

[Taruranto]

And you can still play with your friend every night now. What were you doing every night anyway in FFXI that you considered raiding to begin with, seeing as to how Dynamis and Limbus were both at 3 days lockout each at release and for quite awhile after ?

No, I can't. I can't do Coil every night with my friends and I can't help them with it. I could do Sky, Sea, Dynamis, Limbus and Odin's Chamber in XI with them though. You are not playing a MMROPG, you are playing the 8 men lockout game, log in every monday.

"B-BUT SEA AND SKY ARE NOT RAIDING!!!"

Who gives a shit, they were worthwhile and signification endgame content worth doing. Unlike CT and Ramuh.

There is a big difference between content that you don't want to do and lack of content.

There is a big difference between content worth to do and content not worth doing.

Using hyperbole won't do you any good. It takes 10 weeks to get a full gear set of soldiery, weapon excluded. Also, you are throwing myths on alts when you don't even have a Novus yet so I am inclined to believe that you are either ignoring content unwillingly or are just ignoring it because you don't want to do it but again, this refer to my previous statement: There is a difference between content that you don't want to do and content that exists.

46/75 Alex for Animus, riiiiight.

I'm sorry but I really can't take you seriously with a statement as ridiculous and childish as this. There is a plethora of things I think Square Enix did wrong so I highly doubt me disagreeing with you makes me some kind of white knight.

Sorry, but the reasons why content lockout is bullshit are been examined multiple times. Only the worst SE fanboy are willing to defend this bullshit. Them or casual that afraid hardcore will progress too much leaving them behind.

You can easily pace yourself at a decent speed and play with your friend everyday,

No, you can't. Don't you read people complaining they can't play with their FC members every day on this forum or how they log and had nothing to do because they capped Coil on first day (or they have static and can't join random pug or friends and progress with them)

"Hey friend, can you help me with T6?" "Nope, sorry, cause Yoshi doesn't want me to gear that much or play you ya :^)"

Heck, they could also solve the problem by using a model similar to CT for coil, but again, NOPE.

"B-BUT PEOPLE WOULD SELL RUNS!!"

2 words: who cares.

just not rushing and getting everything done in less than two weeks.

Actually, you can do everything in less than two weeks. 2.1 complete extremes the first week, complete CT, complete the new dungeons... after it just became the "log on monday" game.

I mean, if you are complaining right now about lack of content with lockouts, one can easily figure out how even worse it would be with no lockout.

Or maybe it would be better. People would log out to do coil with their friends. Gear up their alts.

With hunts, that allows me to play and gear up as much I want,I'm playing more.

[Kinseykinz]

There is a big difference between content worth to do and content not worth doing.


No, you can't. Don't you read people complaining they can't play with their FC members every day on this forum or how they log and had nothing to do because they capped Coil on first day (or they have static and can't join random pug or friends and progress with them)

"Hey friend, can you help me with T6?" "Nope, sorry, cause Yoshi doesn't want me to gear that much or play you ya :^)"

Heck, they could also solve the problem by using a model similar to CT for coil, but again, NOPE.

"B-BUT PEOPLE WOULD SELL RUNS!!"

2 words: who cares.

Actually, it's Yoshi P and the devs that care about selling runs. It was in a dev post as basically their very specific reason as to why the current installment of BC progression is locked to your character each week. That while they understand this puts some groups at odds with eachother (being able to assist friends in your FC after you and your static get your clear), the reality is that they feel the best raid gear, from the current hardest raid content should be earned and not handed. They just feel that having well-geared, and experienced people 'carry' through their FC is not the intended method. They also felt that there should be some content in game that is for a dedicated 8-man team. Nor do they wish to promote 'sells'. They did however say, they would continue to monitor the progress of different players and the situation. Still, you do in fact have another source of content, that you can do with your friends as often as you like to help them progress. ST=ilvl100 gear. And Binding Coil 1= ilvl 90 gear and 95 weapons. There's also EX primals with ilvl 90+ drops. The ONLY content that is subject to character weekly character lockout, is BC 2. Everything else you are free to do as often as you please. Sure, Sold tomes cap as well...but you weren't grinding coil for tomes, so you were capping those other ways anyway.


Furthermore, the 'content worth doing' thing: Did you enjoy BC1...or did you enjoy the gear. Because it's still there, and now completely spammable. So is everything else minus ONE thing Binding Coil 2. And when 2.4 comes out, BC2 doesn't lose it's' fun' it looses its weekly lockouts and being BiS drops. EX primals are also a challenge, and content you can enter as often as you please with anyone you please. So based on your lack of interest in ANY other content aside from BC2, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Gear>content in your mind. This game is full of content...it might not be full of content you enjoy, or find worthy of your time, but it's not lacking for content. Maybe, maybe if you're finding 'gee, there's only ever one thing in this game I like doing' maybe this isn't the game for you. Maybe your time would be better spend doing other things/playing games more your style.

Actually, you can do everything in less than two weeks. 2.1 complete extremes the first week, complete CT, complete the new dungeons... after it just became the "log on monday" game.

While it is true, you can level your first job and it's subclasses, experience the storylines, and grind the gear to enter coil in probably 2-3 weeks...most people don't do that. It takes them far longer. Furthemore, once again, they could do this, but you're leaving out a lot of side progression in this '2 week plan'....content that you might not enjoy, but others might take a keen interest in. Still, those same friends that for whatever reason can't find other people in an MMO to play with to challenge BC2 if they are really interested in doing it, will be able to enter as many times as they like, with you come 2.4. As you like to point out, by then, you could probably farm them everything they need to progress to BC 3 in what? 1-2 weeks? (which btw, is also why there's a lock....no one NEEDS BC2 gears yet.....you only need it when doing BC3, which hasn't been released yet You, and your friends can do everything else in this game fully geared in i90-Sold items.).

It is absolutely fine that you enjoy content like BC the most. It's fine you wish there was more of it (and hopefully, there WILL be more of it in up-coming patches...like more than one new hardcore content released at the same time). But to stand there and say 'this is a game of lockouts I can't play with my friends!' is most assuredly wrong. You can't go back and do ONE thing in game with your non-static friends each week. But changing lockouts, or allowing gear to be farmed the moment it goes live, doesn't solve your issue. You're complaining that it's a 'log in Monday' game as it stands now....they do things your way you're right, it won't be a 'log in Monday' game...it'll be a 'log in for 2-3 weeks after the new patch game' ....and then who will your friends play with? (It won't be you, you won't even be logging in)

[Dwill]

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Sorry but the whole thing reeks of selfishness and willful ignorance. You completely ignored any points I brought and just wrote worthless drivel.