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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Tanks who go steal in progress hunt to reset it, is harassing the group that were hunting and must be banned for good.
    After a good number of bans I'd like to see if all that zergs will again play their dirty game. They are not right, they are bullying the few with their numbers. And they don't care about you: if you do a favor to them, they repay you with a kick in your face. They deserve plain nothing.
    Yea except SE isn't going to go down this road, because every time you ban a tank for an existing mechanic you designed, you also drop your profit line by a monthly sub.

    Your looking at this from a players standpoint who wants justice, the CEO of SE has to look at it from a red and black ink perspective, however they approach this reset issue you can bet it wont be mass tank bans.

    People seem to consistently forget that video game companies make games to make "profit", not to set new morale standards for gamers.

    Option A, change leash mechanics on hunt mobs so tanks cant reset - little or no loss in subfee bottom line profits.

    Option B, ban every tank who leashes a reset - a little to substantial subfee bottom line profit loss.

    If there is one thing iv'e learned over 40 years of working, it's that money truly talks and BS truly walks, which option do you think they'll do.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamentations View Post
    Yea except SE isn't going to go down this road, because every time you ban a tank for an existing mechanic you designed, you also drop your profit line by a monthly sub.
    Existing mechanics can be misused for griefing and personal advantage, that is reason exists a GM service, or else we don't even need it. Your reasoning to not ban people because they pay the subs, implies no one paying the sub can be banned, with consequence anyone paying the sub is free to do whatever he please in game. Hope you now understand how that reasoning is flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Existing mechanics can be misused for griefing and personal advantage, that is reason exists a GM service, or else we don't even need it. Your reasoning to not ban people because they pay the subs, implies no one paying the sub can be banned, with consequence anyone paying the sub is free to do whatever he please in game. Hope you now understand how that reasoning is flawed.
    Ill come back later and see what they decided to do, feel free to attend or not it's your choice.

    You can pull on your shiny armor and lobby for justice, they will worry about paying the bills.

    They will adjust the mechanics for people who do it silently, they will ban a few tanks who get caught with screenshots proving intention as examples, (probably people they see in their data who sub 4-8 weeks out of every 12), they will make them all force pop/claim like they should have in the first place which will lead to cries of no open world content again, or they will make hunts useless altogether and solve all these issues that way.

    Doesn't matter which decision they make, the bottom line and how it will be affected will be taken into consideration, it's business.

    Stories abound about how shard/bots were reported from day one at launch and were still around weeks/months later, or about how someone who was reported for abusing mechanics still hasn't been banned after (insert time frame here).

    While knights in shining armor pray to game developer gods to administer justice in their fantasy world, the developer gods live in the real world with rent/mortgages/power bills and payroll.

    A large number of bans isn't going to happen.

    Unless you were born over 35 years ago I have been playing video games longer than you have lived, and I am well aware of why GM's exist, but thanks for the tip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamentations View Post
    If there is one thing iv'e learned over 40 years of working, it's that money truly talks and BS truly walks, which option do you think they'll do.?
    Didn't stop them from banning 550 players over the Salvage/Assault exploit in FFXI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Didn't stop them from banning 550 players over the Salvage/Assault exploit in FFXI.
    Oh I remember, I was around when it happened on xi.

    Those circumstances, and these circumstances have only superficial similarities at best, and this game is approached with a far easier attitude.

    Those were very difficult drops to come buy versus seals galore for everyone who wants them, there isn't much ultra rare uber gear in this game, they pass gear out like candy.

    Your analogy is off the mark by a mile.

    I certainly don't have anything against you salem trial folks wanting to see people hang over this, and if they do for abusing mechanics they have no reason to cry about it.

    Salvage/Assault and this are very different shades of gray.

    When those bans happened the MMO scene in town was a very different flavor than todays cutthroat market of f2p mmos galore, they will save the corporate cash before saving moral face, count on it.

    If it makes you or anyone else chuckle with glee over the prospect of folks getting permabanned for this be my guest, it will not have fixed the core problems with hunts, and it wont help the game.
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    Last edited by Lamentations; 07-30-2014 at 02:24 PM.