this is getting Ridiculous

[Kinseykinz]

I had a GM say that pulling early repeatably knowing people are coming is considered a griefing tactic because it's the same reason resetting mobs is against ToS and considered a griefing tactic. It's because it "interrupts the progress of other players".

The ONLY way I could see this being a 'griefing tactic' is if you verbally agreed to waiting for others to arrive either in /p /ls /FC or /sh ...or if you knowingly joined a group that had such rules (aka Hunt Linkshell). Because SE has set in place a 'grey area' of the rule book that if you agree to a specific party rule/drop lot etc, and then go against it after saying 'sure no problem' you can be in trouble for not keeping your end of the deal. But that's only additional player agreements that are busted. (Like WHM comes into ST and says 'anyone mind if I lot on the MNK body if it drops, I really need it' and you say 'sure NP and then Need lot it and win it when it drops' They can report you ...and win. But if you said 'Uh, I want it too, so sorry but no' They can't do crap because the game's actual rules on lotting are role and if you win=yours.

So I assume the same can be said of hunt groups. If you agree to their rules, and then don't follow them=griefing. If you never agreed in the first place, no issues, pull however you want.

But no, a solo player, small group, band of strangers who see it first and pull it, there is no 'griefing' in that.

[Sapphic]

But no, a solo player, small group, band of strangers who see it first and pull it, there is no 'griefing' in that.

The griefing comes from the verbal abuse those who didn't get credit for the kill, didn't get there in time so proceed to pollute chat with obscenities. Funny thing is that I've noticed is those most vocal about missing out are usually the ones who pull as soon as they see it.

But, we as a community should start reporting those players that throw out abusive and foul insults due to their feelings of entitlement.

As, without checking, foul language that is being used after in open chat is a reportable offence.

[Kinseykinz]

The griefing comes from the verbal abuse those who didn't get credit for the kill, didn't get there in time so proceed to pollute chat with obscenities. Funny thing is that I've noticed is those most vocal about missing out are usually the ones who pull as soon as they see it.

But, we as a community should start reporting those players that throw out abusive and foul insults due to their feelings of entitlement.

As, without checking, foul language that is being used after in open chat is a reportable offence.

I understand that a lot of the 'griefing' that is really happening is the abusive and foul name-calling (on both sides btw). I was directly responding to the person's situation I quoted. The /sh/t/s abusive language that is also happening is of course, also harassment and punishable, but it's a different thing that what the poster I was responding to was implying. If people think that they can report anyone who pulls 'early' simply for pulling and that person will be somehow punished, they are wrong. But yes, if that same person turns around and starts taunting them/harassing them or being unpleasant (assuming they weren't provoked into it) then yes, they can get in trouble as they are harassing people. But if a GM takes actions against them, it was never for 'early pulling', it was for the namecalling and nastyness that they said after it.