"I play the way I want" -Randomperson

[Rubieus]

When you queue through Duty Finder without having a full group? No, never. It's pointless. With those expectations in DF people tend to hurt themselves more often than not.
If you use PF then yes have expectations, the ones you placed.

So what you are saying, is that. If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players? You are saying then that; Should I do DF, I should expect the same skill level I would see in low-level in an expert mode? That really doesn't seem correct. Please, explain this logic.

[Ghetto_Ganker]

Im going to go ahead and clarify what it is i meant by the elitist comment.

So, noone explained anything of relevance to me, with the exception of complaining that i was using some wrong rotation. Whatever, I said if you are going to sit there talking shit then kick rocks, if you want to actually help than do that. Kicked.

I qued for garuda extreme, got in there, and before the shit even started i had some elitist clown tell me how square enix dont know jack about their own game and the recommended item level was wrong, and since i wasnt in full 90 or close, i was kicked. Now thats bs

[Ghetto_Ganker]

Keep in mind that it takes us BLM's sometimes OVER A DAMN HOUR to get into an instance and the last thing we want to hear when we finally get in there is the opinion of some guy that is a nobody. I dont honestly care if there is a way to optimize dps when its being told to me as if its common sense when it isnt. I had 10 bad experiences in the beginning as a black mage, and only 1 good experience. The sad truth is that most of the people on this game that have been here for awhile are dicks. I have received next to no help when i needed it, I almost quit playing because of that elitist attitude.

Last example, My old FC leader really told me that I shouldnt get mad at being kicked, its my fault for queing up for something i wasnt geared for.... He had every class at 50.... Elitist? I guess not

[Scarletyoshi]

So what you are saying, is that. If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players? You are saying then that; Should I do DF, I should expect the same skill level I would see in low-level in an expert mode? That really doesn't seem correct. Please, explain this logic.

That they meet the min ilvl and behave in a manner that does not violate the ToS are the only things you can expect, that is correct. In this case "expert" is just the name assigned to that grouping of instances. There is no "skill level" parameter they can use to block people who don't meet said skill level from the queue.

If you have standards you expect others to meet that go beyond those defaults then you need to use the party finder.

[Madotsuki]

stuff

So, what exactly is preventing you from picking yourself up and showing these "elitists" that you can learn and do content perfectly fine?

Ask other BLMs for rotation advice. Look up basic guides online or even browse right here in the official forums. Create your own Party Finder learning parties for content you still need to practice.

"but the elitist nobodies..."
No, stop making excuses and pawning off your roadblocks to the big bogeyman you've painted. If you wanted to just give up and quit you would've by now, so why "stay oppressed" as you seem to be?

[Gormogon]

If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players?

It's not called "DF Roulette expert mode" because you'll be placed with "expert" players.

[Nephera]

The classes really haven't been designed with the flexibility to play them how you want, if they did we would be using a variant of the older system that didn't have Warrior/pld/Drg/brd/mnk/blm/whm/smn/sch and we'd probably have skill trees or widely divergent gear sets. The flexibility to play how you want comes from being able to pick up any of these classes on one character.


edit: if we want yet more flexibility then we should probably ask them to prioritize the addition of new classes over new content.

[Cherie]

"I play the way I want!" can mean you want to figure out things on your own, but in my experience it means: "I want to troll you for my enjoyment!"

Also, if you want to figure things out on your own, why did you ever go to school? Why not just try to figure out things on your own instead of trying to be a member of society? :/ Even being raised by wolves counts as some sort of "assistance".

[Welsper59]

It's an MMORPG, and the grand majority of folks don't understand what that means and entails. There's no sense of responsibility anymore because playing a game online is such a commonplace activity. As a common activity, the most popular form of it requires no need to "learn" in an obvious fashion. Most people are used to games like CoD/BF/Halo/Dark Souls/etc when it comes to online gaming. Games that don't necessarily require coordination and knowledge of what you're doing to complete something. Yes, you need to have some grounds of play (especially with something like Dark Souls), but the consequences are most obvious there. You just won't progress (usually), meaning the game is basically forcing you to learn. With FPS games, you'll just keep dying, which generally doesn't cause any obvious consequences for your group (if doing a team game).

MMORPGs are a different breed of game that does have some learning involved to play right. The problem is that it's not an obvious thing to know if you are or not. This has been a problem that existed since long before the genre hit mainstream, so don't bother pointing fingers at anyone or any thing. What separates the past from how it is now is the mentality of it. MMORPGs are so abundant and readily available for anyone to play (computers in a household are expected or a norm rather than a "luxury", similar to a microwave oven), that learning about them doesn't seem necessary in this pool of online gaming in general. Things are not as slow paced as they were since it's all about the "now". What? Now? "Yesterday" WTF, yesterday? "Last week already, **** you're slow".

Personally, I don't have too much of a problem with new players. Most of them are usually friendly, even the ones with reactions like what the OP described. I just don't have respect for them in the long run for most cases. Doesn't mean I won't play with them, it just means I'll know what to expect and what I need to do to avoid any problems. I just tell them right off the bat, if there's a problem that's a result of their lack of understanding, that they gotta learn. There's no way around that if they expect to go far. If they get defensive about it, whatever. As an old-school MMORPG player, I've seen enough of those types of people to not really care what they have to say. They either do it or they don't. I'm willing to help usually if they want to take me up on that, but most don't.

One, a friend I knew since FFXI 10yrs ago, was never really the greatest of players. Always got hit by AoE, never knew a good way to do dmg, etc. Until earlier this year, he's always been like that. He really wanted to experience endgame this time though, under the pretense that the rest of us were doing Coil and such (we don't though), and had the resolve to learn. I spent a couple hours helping him learn dodge mechanics in general. Fighting simple open world mobs with AoE, running Ifrit story, Titan story, etc to help him learn basic dodge mechanics. Now the guy is capable enough to clear Coil stuff. Not exactly rocket science, but quite a lot of progress given the short span of time.

[Rubieus]

That they meet the min ilvl and behave in a manner that does not violate the ToS are the only things you can expect, that is correct. In this case "expert" is just the name assigned to that grouping of instances. There is no "skill level" parameter they can use to block people who don't meet said skill level from the queue.
If you have standards you expect others to meet that go beyond those defaults then you need to use the party finder.

I don't have a checklist of expectations when entering into a DF. What I do have is an expectation of player responsibility. If I am a tank, you would expect that I chose that role because I wish to hold aggro and get hit in the face alot. If I chose Healer, it means I prefer not to get hit in the face and will reward you with some form of healing should you prevent that from happening to me. That is the only expectation I have.

So regardless if you are Tank/Healer/DPS; your responsibility to the team is to do your job correctly. It doesn't have to be the best. But refusing to play your job as thedevelopers intended. Just makes the game harder for everyone else. You are right, there is no parameter for skill level. There should be. There should be some form of gauge like a Maat's Cap questline or solo guildheist questline that prevents you from ruining my gaming experience because you can't or refuse to play your class as Yoshi intended. Instead, you (again not you personally) wish to run around half naked as a tank trying to spam fire spells as a gladiator because you saw it in an anime and want to be like that guy? _-_ Cmon..

It's not called "DF Roulette expert mode" because you'll be placed with "expert" players.

I apologize, my sarcasm may have not been blatant enough.