"I play the way I want" -Randomperson

[Jynx]

If I pop a DF Roulette expert mode. (item level 60? is it?) I should not expect "expert" players?

You can't be serious can you?

[Kat_Manx]

It's easy to see when someone is trying to be more insulting than helpful, and if that happens, I will get upset.

However nothing is more amusing than being an Bard. You get like, constant instructions, making you wonder if people know anything at all about Bard. I think I had a speedrun party with PLD WHM DRG BRD and the DRG wanted Paeon for more AoE's, and the WHM asked for Foe so she can do Holy even if she had like 500MP and the tank was dying and I was about to cast Ballad, plus they got upset when my DPS decreased, which FYI does happen when you cast any song that isn't Foe.

So yeah thanks for the "Keep 3 songs up at once while not decreasing your DPS."-tip. /facepalm x.x

[PrimeEvilPanda]

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Hi Gormogon, I might just ask: do you normally PUG all your instances and if so, have you ever come across a healer that has not kept the party up causing one or two wipes; or a tank that does not use his skills to keep aggro, thus causing the mobs to attack you consistently - and if so, how did you deal with this situation?

What I'm trying to highlight is that the posters in this subject are noting the BLM may/may not have been using all the "skills" provided for his job (either by just spamming one skill and ignoring the others) and thus hindering the run (and potentially causing a wipe).

Out of curiosity as well, could you please advise how you developed your BLM's rotation? Did you seek out information or were you advised by friends/party members?

[Rubieus]

You can't be serious can you?

Hey Jynx, of course not. I was merely trying to point out that there should be a level of expectation and responsibility. Regardless of what dungeon I am in.

[Rubieus]

So yeah thanks for the "Keep 3 songs up at once while not decreasing your DPS."-tip. /facepalm x.x

If you are playing bard, and you sing. I will commend you. Even if I can't take advantage of that particular song. (Assuming of course you are using a song someone in the group can use) Why do I say this? Because I have yet to DF with a bard who will use Foe or Ballad. (Peon is pretty useless anyway except for Coil)

[Jynx]

Hey Jynx, of course not. I was merely trying to point out that there should be a level of expectation and responsibility. Regardless of what dungeon I am in.

I'm of the opinion that if you click that "Duty finder" button your stuck dealing with whatever players you get, regardless of Item level or skill level. If you want a good group make some friends on your server and play with them.

Blame the cross server duty finder for half the troubles you have these days, nobody is forced to play well because they can just hop into the duty finder and sleep their way through most dungeons with 0 repurcussions because you aren't going to ever see them again.

The things we sacrifice for convenience eh?

[Issac]

Who wants to cast Fire 1 when you get all the shines from Flare and Freeze? Throw in the leet aetherial manipulation to blizzard 2 combo!

This comment gave me a genuine laugh, thanks

[Rubieus]

I'm of the opinion that if you click that "Duty finder" button your stuck dealing with whatever players you get, regardless of Item level or skill level. If you want a good group make some friends on your server and play with them.

Blame the cross server duty finder for half the troubles you have these days, nobody is forced to play well because they can just hop into the duty finder and sleep their way through most dungeons with 0 repercussions because you aren't going to ever see them again.

The things we sacrifice for convenience eh?

You are preaching to the choir here. I accept that I will have to play with badly skilled players. Heck, 7 manned titan hard mode in a DF whilst spamming stoneskin on the weakest players to keep them alive. But the point of this thread was to educate players on the fact that, yes it is ok to teach them how to play their job if they are not doing it correctly. It is ok to give advice, and try and get them to at least work together for the 30 mins you will see each other. It is not ok to insult or to curse, and it is totally ok with reporting them for refusing to play the game as intended. (In this case, a black mage who refuses to cast fire spells because he is an ice mage. Though I am sure there are better alternatives to reporting. )

[ExponentialDecay]

In a good game, he would be able to play the way he wants, without being a hindrance.

no, that would be a very bad game

[Gormogon]

Hi Gormogon, I might just ask: do you normally PUG all your instances and if so, have you ever come across a healer that has not kept the party up causing one or two wipes; or a tank that does not use his skills to keep aggro, thus causing the mobs to attack you consistently - and if so, how did you deal with this situation?

What I'm trying to highlight is that the posters in this subject are noting the BLM may/may not have been using all the "skills" provided for his job (either by just spamming one skill and ignoring the others) and thus hindering the run (and potentially causing a wipe).

Out of curiosity as well, could you please advise how you developed your BLM's rotation? Did you seek out information or were you advised by friends/party members?

1.) I use DF a lot. Sometimes I get queued up with bad players of whatever role or people that have or are met with connection issues. Yet it doesn't bother me. I take those situations and weaknesses into consideration and try to accommodate as best as possible. Lower my DPS if it's just a gear issue or try and/or burst as much as possible hoping the mob dies within the next few spells after getting aggro. Overall I'd rather keep trying to get it done than blame everyone in the group for their errors because it's unhealthy especially when it doesn't guarantee to fix the issue and can make it worse.

So

If tank disconnects and I know I'm about to pull aggro, as long as it isn't range I'll kite, spam scathe, juke with aetherial manipulation, use swiftcast if I have it for blizzard 1 and so on. If it is range then it's gonna be more tricky since juking doesn't do much and line of sight doesn't work, so mitigation and offhealing are my only alternatives and the best approach if there's another dps up.

Yet I don't expect the healer to optimize for the situation.

If healer disconnects or dies I know I can either keep DPSing and try and trust the tank to mitigate damage on his own by using his abilities, healing himself, and kiting or take into consideration that I'll have to off-heal.

Yet I don't expect the tank to optimize for the situation. What I posted about that situation is simply a judgement call I'll have to make.

If dps is bad, disconnects, or dies I'm confident on my dps to pull that weight so on that note I'm not worried and if they can be slept I would also have that option.

2.) For the most part, 1 good DPS can make up for another especially if he's ilvl 90 or higher ilvl'd in dungeons. It does make the run better if everyone's good but that luxury isn't a guarantee.

3.) I developed my BLM's rotation on my own since the concept behind rotation and min/max are not new to me, i grew up with that concept. I also spread the word behind double and triple flare before they were even a norm because they became more and more needed. Was I the original person behind them? I don't think so but the design was there and I wasn't abusing it either. To me those things are elementary. I did theorycrafting before, which personally I found it to be a waste of my time. Yet knowing a perfect rotation and knowing a min/max are rather pointless on their own. You have to be able to implement both and accommodate for inconsistencies on the fly based on any given situation. So in other words to gauge someones skill relies more than just parsing numbers because those numbers wont prepare you for inconsistencies and situational awareness.