NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[ForteXX]

Link please? Also why would Ninja get Twashtar? Twashtar was THFs Empyrean and Kannagi was Ninjas. Also I think you mean Mythics, Because I had Almace, Rhongomiant, Kannagi, and a Masamune. So most likely it will be Nagi then.

Ah, Nagi would fit better, I was just looking at the FF Wiki's list of Empyrean items for that and missed Ninja on it. Nagi as Gerolt, Kikoshu as Relic.

The discussion was on xivdb's (xivpad's) chat, so I can't link to it. I didn't play FFXI, so I had to look up stuff as the discussion was going on.

From what we were saying in that discussion, someone brought up that nothing from the Mythic group has been used yet (which now that I look at this, Mythic is Gerolt items, so that person was mixing up terms).

Relic, used as a Relic:
Spharai
Bravura

Empyrean as Gerolt:
None, actually

Mythic as Gerolt:
Glanzfaust
Laevateinn
Burtang
Conquerer
Yagrush

[Exstal]

I'm still amazed some people aren't able to see the logical fallacy in their argument...

Argument: Rogue plays like Thief, so it is Thief, so they don't need to add Thief.

Counter: Gladiator plays like Paladin, etc etc.

And this is a strawman.

This is the correct way to rebuttal.
Argument: Rogue plays like Thief so there is no reason to bring in Thief.
The logical counter: Gladiator plays like Knight so there's no reason to bring in Knight.

[Jynx]

FF Tactics says hi.

No mug, no sneak attack, no trick attack, no treasure hunting. . .

Poaching was pretty much as "Treasure hunter" as it got, asides from move/find item from chemist.

The point is that Thief did steal, and do tricks (Catch item) Hell the dashing Rogues could even steal experience and even your heart!

[Fen-fen]

Do we know when the 2.3 is supposed to be released? because I have no clue at all about the pace of updates on this game.

[Tarushade]

Do we know when the 2.3 is supposed to be released? because I have no clue at all about the pace of updates on this game.

July 8, 2014

[Viridiana]

Poaching was pretty much as "Treasure hunter" as it got, asides from move/find item from chemist.

The point is that Thief did steal, and do tricks (Catch item) Hell the dashing Rogues could even steal experience and even your heart!

He specifically said you can Mug in every FF. You can't. And I'm not sure I'd really count Catch as being a trick. . .

[Nero]

You realize that Steal and Mug are two different abilities, right?

Different Name over Titles; Same Result: Stealing Item's from the Enemy.

Secret Hunt is not actually Treasure Hunting, it's Poaching. The closest thing to Treasure Hunting in FFT was Move Find Item from Chemist. And did you seriously just bring up Gilgame Heart? The counter attack that gives you more nearly-useless gil?

I never said Gilgame Heart is an great Ability.. xD Still is a way of getting Gil from the Enemy, which is a typicial THF Ability, which you denied would exist in Tactics. They do exist there, does not matter if they are great or not.

[Nalien]

And this is a strawman.

This is the correct way to rebuttal.
Argument: Rogue plays like Thief so there is no reason to bring in Thief.
The logical counter: Gladiator plays like Knight so there's no reason to bring in Knight.

Knight and Paladin are the exact same thing... In Japanese Paladin is called Knight, Paladin just came about on western shores with FFIVs localization for some reason, and it just stuck ever since. So... The "logical" counter, is exactly what I said? Thanks for backing me up there.

Case and point; Paladin adds nothing but the name, classic gear, and Cover to the game. The rest of its abilities are generic MMO ones. They still added it. Solely because the reason they added Jobs in the first place was to reintroduce classic Job names and gear to the game. Thief should be in the exact same boat as Paladin, yet people arguing that Paladin plays the same as Gladiator (because me and others are saying nobody brings Gladiator to endgame) are busy telling me that Thief cannot come off Rouge because it'll play the same as Rouge. It's hilariously stupid; "We cannot have this classic Job, because it will be the same as all the other classic Jobs they've added already".

So be careful what you wish for... :/

I don't wish for Thief, I wished for Ninja and got it. At the same time though, I'm not blind enough to discredit Thief for seemingly nonsensical reasons.

[Double]

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As long as Rogue doesn't have "Steal" or "Flee" and Ninja doesn't have a single THF ability, I don't see why Thf wouldn't be in the game. It's really embarrassing not to add such a classic job.

I can imagine one quest now; Having to probably pickpocket people or something cool along those lines.

Plus, if Yoshida thinks Thf sucks(which is what he's implying based from every question given about Thief), I have an inkling that if thf does get in, it may not be what we all expect it to be..

So be careful what you wish for... :/

[LoLo]

You realize that Steal and Mug are two different abilities, right?

Secret Hunt is not actually Treasure Hunting, it's Poaching. The closest thing to Treasure Hunting in FFT was Move Find Item from Chemist. And did you seriously just bring up Gilgame Heart? The counter attack that gives you more nearly-useless gil?

In my quote your replied to I said nothing about Treasure Hunting. You are reading things that aren't even there just to find a reason to argue and tell someone their wrong.

All Thieves steal, mug and do tricks in every FF.

I don't see anywhere that said treasure hunting. You are just trying to make it seem like I want to make this game into FFXI. The actual truth is that I mentioned treasure hunter in a different quote but in that quote I said nothing about all thieves having treasure hunter. I said people want to have a Thief with treasure hunter in this game. Get your facts straight.