NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Viridiana]

Huh? You can Steal with THF in Tactics ( basically like mug from gil, armor, accessory etc), actually its the Main-Ability and you also have Secret Hunt and Gilgame Heart.

You realize that Steal and Mug are two different abilities, right?

Secret Hunt is not actually Treasure Hunting, it's Poaching. The closest thing to Treasure Hunting in FFT was Move Find Item from Chemist. And did you seriously just bring up Gilgame Heart? The counter attack that gives you more nearly-useless gil?

[Nero]

You realize that Steal and Mug are two different abilities, right?

Different Name over Titles; Same Result: Stealing Item's from the Enemy.

Secret Hunt is not actually Treasure Hunting, it's Poaching. The closest thing to Treasure Hunting in FFT was Move Find Item from Chemist. And did you seriously just bring up Gilgame Heart? The counter attack that gives you more nearly-useless gil?

I never said Gilgame Heart is an great Ability.. xD Still is a way of getting Gil from the Enemy, which is a typicial THF Ability, which you denied would exist in Tactics. They do exist there, does not matter if they are great or not.

[LoLo]

You realize that Steal and Mug are two different abilities, right?

Secret Hunt is not actually Treasure Hunting, it's Poaching. The closest thing to Treasure Hunting in FFT was Move Find Item from Chemist. And did you seriously just bring up Gilgame Heart? The counter attack that gives you more nearly-useless gil?

In my quote your replied to I said nothing about Treasure Hunting. You are reading things that aren't even there just to find a reason to argue and tell someone their wrong.

All Thieves steal, mug and do tricks in every FF.

I don't see anywhere that said treasure hunting. You are just trying to make it seem like I want to make this game into FFXI. The actual truth is that I mentioned treasure hunter in a different quote but in that quote I said nothing about all thieves having treasure hunter. I said people want to have a Thief with treasure hunter in this game. Get your facts straight.

[Viridiana]

Different Name over Titles; Same Result: Stealing Item's from the Enemy.

Huh? No. Mug deals damage in addition to stealing the item. That's a big difference.

In my quote your replied to I said nothing about Treasure Hunting.

Okay, I'll grant that you didn't mention that thieves in all games having Treasure Hunt. You're still wrong about Mug, despite Nero's attempts to redefine Mug.

[LoLo]

Huh? No. Mug deals damage in addition to stealing the item. That's a big difference.



Okay, I'll grant that you didn't mention that thieves in all games having Treasure Hunt. You're still wrong about Mug, despite Nero's attempts to redefine Mug.

Mug is stealing gil and you can steal gil in tactics but the attack is just named differently than Mug. Your point is invalid but you just want to argue even when you are wrong.

Oh I'm wrong?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Mug

Job Ability
Steal gil from enemy.
Obtained: Thief Level 35
Recast Time: 15:00
Duration: Instant

Oh you mean you are wrong. Ok than if that is the case yes you are because Mug doesn't do damage and steals gil in the MMO version leaving you wrong.

[Nero]

Huh? No. Mug deals damage in addition to stealing the item. That's a big difference.



Okay, I'll grant that you didn't mention that thieves in all games having Treasure Hunt. You're still wrong about Mug, despite Nero's attempts to redefine Mug.

You are trying to get away from your argument.. Tactics had said Abilities, which you denied.

But since you obviously like get away from initial statements:

Mug: FF5 Attack and steal, FF9 Attack and steal, FF10 Attack and steal, FF11 Gil Steal... to name a couple and it does what i said; Stealing Items. Does it additional Damage? Yeah, still stealing Items tho, which is typical for THF's and no other Class.

[Viridiana]

Mug is stealing gil and you can steal gil in tactics but the attack is just named differently than Mug. Your point is invalid but you just want to argue even when you are wrong.

Oh I'm wrong?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Mug


Oh you mean you are wrong. Ok than if that is the case yes you are because Mug doesn't do damage and steals gil in the MMO version leaving you wrong.

Holy shifting goalposts. . .

You say that Thieves can Mug in "every FF."
You don't clarify what you mean when you say Mug, though.
I point out that FF Tactics has no Mug ability.
I then go on to point out that by Mug I mean Steal+Attack.
You then redefine Mug as Steal Gil, based on its implementation in FFXI.
You then claim that, based on this definition, Mug is in every FF.

I mean, I guess it works if you're willing to arbitrarily pick which game you want to base things off of. If you really want to pick the only game where Mug doesn't do damage and pretend that it makes Mug the same as Steal Gil, I can't really stop you. On the other hand, I'm certainly not going to agree with you.

You are trying to get away from your argument.. Tactics had said Abilities, which you denied.

But since you obviously like get away from initial statements:

Mug: FF5 Attack and steal, FF9 Attack and steal, FF10 Attack and steal, FF11 Gil Steal... to name a couple and it does what i said; Stealing Items. Does it additional Damage? Yeah, still stealing Items tho, which is typical for THF's and no other Class.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mug

Mug: FFIV (Remakes) Attack and Steal
FFV Attack and Steal
FFVI Attack and Steal
FFVII Attack and Steal
FFVIII Attack and Steal
FFIX Attack and Steal
FFX Attack and Steal
FFXI Steal Gil
FFTA Attack and Steal Gil (not even a Thief ability in this game)
FFTA2 Attack and Steal (or in this game)

You can't just ignore half of what an attack does and claim that it's the same as some other ability. That's like saying that Flare and Holy are the same thing because they both deal damage. >_>

[LoLo]

Holy shifting goalposts. . .

You say that Thieves can Mug in "every FF."
You don't clarify what you mean when you say Mug, though.
I point out that FF Tactics has no Mug ability.
I then go on to point out that by Mug I mean Steal+Attack.
You then redefine Mug as Steal Gil, based on its implementation in FFXI.
You then claim that, based on this definition, Mug is in every FF.

I mean, I guess it works if you're willing to arbitrarily pick which game you want to base things off of. If you really want to pick the only game where Mug doesn't do damage and pretend that it makes Mug the same as Steal Gil, I can't really stop you. On the other hand, I'm certainly not going to agree with you.

You really sound silly going on a major tyrant about Mug only because you were proven wrong when it comes to Treasure Hunter. Everyone here sees you are grasping at straws just to continue to argue. None of this even addresses the most important thing which is wanting Thief Job in this game. Your posts are taking the conversation off target.

[Viridiana]

Yet Rogue and Thief are the same because they're both agile, and that's OK. The hypocrisy in this thread is amusing.

I've never said that. >_>

You really sound silly going on a major tyrant about Mug only because you were proven wrong when it comes to Treasure Hunter. Everyone here sees you are grasping at straws just to continue to argue. None of this even addresses the most important thing which is wanting Thief Job in this game. Your posts are taking the conversation off target.

I'd hardly call this a "tirade." Honestly, I'm just bored and using this as something to do. And the only thing I was "proven wrong" about in regards to Treasure Hunt was that I'd claimed you mentioned it (kinda). I'm not grasping at straws so much as wondering why the two of you both want to ignore what Mug does in most of the games it's in.

I haven't been adressing the issue of a possible THF job because I really don't have a stake in the matter.