NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Flowen_Shiva]

Could you quote the part where that was said ?

And remind that Treasure Hunter is a trait, and that jobs don't have traits.

Well nothing was said about those abilities, I would think they would be mentioned as they are very iconic. "Treasure hunter is a trait" Yes in ff11 its a trait, it wouldn't exactly be hard to make it into an ability in ff14 making it job specific. If rogue gets steal and treasure hunter that means ninja would, which wouldn't fit with the role ninja fills everytime its been used in the ff series. There's a lot more reasons why they will make thief a job for rogue than why they wouldn't, but I guess we will have to wait and see. Anyone who's played the previous ff games will know they love a throwback in ff14, I would go as far to say I'd be shocked if they never introduced a job that's been in almost every ff game since ff1.

[Iriadysa]

Sorry, but that is totally irrevelant...MNK tanked in salvage because they were the only ones able to generate enough enmity by damage without a proper weapon equipped.

Once you unlocked your skill and gear, it's back to the old tank jobs.

You wasted a slot bringing a PLD or a NIN to Salvage? What, did you also bring 8 man groups or something? MNK tank from start to finish, including bosses. Say hello to 5-6 man runs with boss kill included. Say hello to split parallel runs. I do admit that at times we also used SAM tanks in Salvage, but our MNKs were better geared. My group even used a BST for LAC on a 5/6 man party, but that's for another day.

Outside Salvage, we used MNKs to tank many things of relevance. Those NMs that you popped with the photograph points, any monsters you had to farm outside like Yo'Vras (the sea UFOs), low manning some jailers like Faith, trio Limbus for Omega triggers (MNK, RDM, BLU) and really, several other things where they excelled as tanks.

Lol Mnk is not a tank, it was used as a tank, and so was nin. These jobs in ff14, under a system which specifies a jobs role, are dps. In ff11 the subjob system together with the flaw that hate was mainly determined by damage meant many jobs could fill the role of a tank. Current ff14 is very different as jobs have to fill a set role. I did love the variety of 11, but what you end up with is the majority of the population playing a few jobs (or just MNK).

A job is what it can do, until a system that holds your hand tells you otherwise. This is the case of FFXIV, but not the case of FFXI.

FFXIV has been structured from the ground up. Tanks are tanks because they have been 100% tailored to be so, DPS are such because they have been tailored for that, etc. There is zero flexibility in FFXIV and the current cross skill system we have is but a useless mockery. This is both good and bad, depending on what kind of gameplay you are looking for. It allows developers to balance content better, but it also stops any kind of player generated strategies.

FFXIV is a game where you figure out how the developers expected you to win an encounter and then you repeat that. There's few exceptions, but they are all mostly exploits that have either been accepted (current Divebomb strategy) or patched out already.

[Flowen_Shiva]

MNK was a tank.

Lol Mnk is not a tank, it was used as a tank, and so was nin. These jobs in ff14, under a system which specifies a jobs role, are dps. In ff11 the subjob system together with the flaw that hate was mainly determined by damage meant many jobs could fill the role of a tank. Current ff14 is very different as jobs have to fill a set role. I did love the variety of 11, but what you end up with is the majority of the population playing a few jobs (or just MNK).

[Meshico]

Then they lack creativity. They can just make the THFs guild in a hideout in the open world. No need to be in a city. Still hoping for RDM and THF to make this a complete FF.

This...will happen

Its that one place from FFXI...I forget the name...Norg was it?

Anyways, it will happen, and I will look forward to it

[Alise]

The Ninja is wearing what is likely to be it's AF set.
The Rogue is wearing what looks to be a colored bandana and what appears to be a new armor model.

For anyone still wondering if the Rogue is the base class or not, the 2 and 3rd Kanji in the Japanese name are 術士(Jutsu Shi). This is identical to the rest of the classes. (Gladiator is 剣術士(Kenjutsu Shi), Thaumaturge is 呪術士(Jujutsu Shi), etc.)

I know that it is Ninja AF. what I asked is that from the looking of Rouge gear. Do you expect it to share gear with bard? I think it is highly likely to be DEX orient DPS. It only make sense to have them share gear, because each other gear set is share for 2 class so far except Bard, Monk, Dragoon.

Alternatively, I think it may share gear with MNK since CT1 Monk gear look so similar to Ninja.

If you consider cost-investment for SE. it is only make sense for them to reuse old gear that doesn't share with other class yet. so BRD, MNK, DRG. and I think it could only be either MNK or BRD. but which is more likely?

[MartaDemireux]

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(delayed because I needed sleep but didn't see this really addressed since)

The name is really just localization. The actual class is "Twinblade user." You don't actually level a class, you train yourself in using weapon style/damage type (in this case in twinblades). In Japanese they're looking at 双剣士 (Twinblade user/Twinbladist) and 忍者 (Ninja) and if they were to add on Thief it would be シーフ. Thief could potentially still come from that alone. However, I see Thief as a dagger user, not a twinblade user. Perhaps it could come from Gladiator as they use daggers already and Thief could equip a shield in most installments.

[AlrikRouge]

I'm looking forward to this, and now am going to be leveling a melee class DPS.

I hope they have gear/vanity gear that is the same as Edge, only a little more Ninja..... Double blade - make it please, and can gear both hands with two separate weapons.

EDIT: And come on - it would be pretty awesome looking with fully decked out ninjas, 6 of them, one tank, and one WHM taking out CM and Prae.

[Erudain]

So wait: IF they called the Rogue a THF, then people would be happy...even if not a single skill/attack/action was changed....but they call it Rogue, give a valid reason why they decided to call it that, and people are upset?

You got the class/role you wanted

A rose by any other name man....

Literally the best post in this thread....and by a mile....
Now they should add geomancer but call it "Elementalist" and berserker but call it "Viking" and watch the forum drown in tears...

[Bigpurpleharness]

Literally the best post in this thread....and by a mile....
Now they should add geomancer but call it "Elementalist" and berserker but call it "Viking" and watch the forum drown in tears...

I guess that depends on how well you can read. People want a thief, not a rogue, and they damn sure don't want it to be a class. Do you really not see why asking for one of the most common FF jobs (With lore attached, AF, full 9 yards) that had several appearances as the protagonist's role isn't that far fetched? I mean, I know some people understand some topics better than others but I didn't think an explanation on why people want Thief in a FF game. It boggles the mind.

[NinjaTaru72]

If they add thf as an actual job, they need to add Zidanes race from ffix for me, genome I believe. Been a while. But I'd totally be a Zidane =D