NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Gilraen]

Did Yoshi P say that all classes must have one of each job role? Did you know that there will be more than just tank, DD, and healing job roles in the future?

No, but we also only have one class that has two Jobs, and those Jobs are practically diametrically opposed (arcanist/Scholar, Summoner). The precedent is there, and it really doesn't make much sense, either, to have the Jobs of a particular class fulfill the same role. It forces a choice between one or the other in a game that's all about choice.

[Altimis]

Fun Fact, you can play look like "Classes" while you playing Jobs

AKA you want to look like Gladiator in Ul'dah's Blood Sand colossus

You just dress colossus armor, round shield and short sword. Done. You are Gladiator! (the fact you are Paladin)

[LoLo]

Fun Fact, you can play look like "Classes" while you playing Jobs

AKA you want to look like Gladiator in Ul'dah's Blood Sand colossus

You just dress colossus armor, round shield and short sword. Done. You are Gladiator! (the fact you are Paladin)

Thief Job, not class.

That would be fine if this was a dress up game with no battle system, stats, skills, traits, job crystals, and weapons. But I didn't think you were serious lol.

[Deusteele]

You do understand that THF, if implemented, would never be given skills or traits that would give them a monetary advantage?

Even beyond that, THF is a very weak job in Final Fantasy. The Tactic's series gave them the ability to steal everything but a targets underclothes to grant them anything like a full skill suite. Of the 6 (Edge, Locke, Yuffie, Zidane, Rikku, and Vaan) characters that were had Steal baseline within the core series, 2 of them Edge and Yuffie were ninja's anyway. 2 more Zidane and Vaan were closer to being a Warrior with steal then pure Thief. Leaving us with 1 pure thief (Locke).

[LoLo]

You do understand that THF, if implemented, would never be given skills or traits that would give them a monetary advantage?

Even beyond that, THF is a very weak job in Final Fantasy. The Tactic's series gave them the ability to steal everything but a targets underclothes to grant them anything like a full skill suite. Of the 6 (Edge, Locke, Yuffie, Zidane, Rikku, and Vaan) characters that were had Steal baseline within the core series, 2 of them Edge and Yuffie were ninja's anyway. 2 more Zidane and Vaan were closer to being a Warrior with steal then pure Thief. Leaving us with 1 pure thief (Locke).

I don't think Thief is a weak job. Warrior is always changing throughout the series and it never gave me an impression that it was weak.

No, but we also only have one class that has two Jobs, and those Jobs are practically diametrically opposed (arcanist/Scholar, Summoner). The precedent is there, and it really doesn't make much sense, either, to have the Jobs of a particular class fulfill the same role. It forces a choice between one or the other in a game that's all about choice.

Having additional choices makes sense to me in a MMO.

[Danko]

You do understand that THF, if implemented, would never be given skills or traits that would give them a monetary advantage?

In MMO's I agree that monetary gain abilities can and should be kept in check but there are a great number of battle applications for steal across the franchise.

Even beyond that, THF is a very weak job in Final Fantasy

This is actually not true. Aside from the characters you mentioned, Thief in SE's other FF MMO, FFXI, was arguably the highest and most useful DPS for a long period of time in the game's early life. There were HUGE rewards for making SATA lines and closing skill chains relative to what other DPS were capable of at the time (Before they added a ridiculous amount of haste sources and Buffs to stack that ruined all their intended metagame).

It wasn't until the game evolved away from SATA lines and Skillchains that THF was left behind as a heavy hitter. As soon as TP burn parties and even non tank groups became more efficient than the traditional groups of its early years, there was no point to Thief's mechanics.

[Rysir]

A shame that dual wield cant exist in this game, would have been fun watching offtank paladins dual wielding and going nuts on a boss. But this does look fun!

[TheRogueX]

A shame that dual wield cant exist in this game, would have been fun watching offtank paladins dual wielding and going nuts on a boss. But this does look fun!

What's sad is that the Gladiator class description talks about Gladiators who forgo a shield and fight only with a single sword... but, um, why would you do that? Is that a hint at a possible divergent path in the future?

[Nalien]

Are people really still saying Thief can't happen in XIV, when the Bard we have is... Well, not Bard? Three Songs doesn't make a Bard, it makes it a DPS with Songs. Thief would be exactly the same, for better or for worse.

Just mix it with Chemist (Rikku says hi) so we can have a proper Mix system in the game, because if we get Chemist it'll work like Archer, having a magically infinite pool of potions. Mix it with Thief though? Steal steals reagents from enemies, Mix mixes them together and then you use them. Then just throw in the enmity management XI tried for and you can easily go about adding new abilities, just like Bard they wouldn't all have to fit the Job either, unless you're telling me Rain of Death is a spoony ability?

Instead of saying "Thief wont happen", say "I can't imagine Thief happening", because that's what you really mean.

[Kinseykinz]

Just mix it with Chemist (Rikku says hi) so we can have a proper Mix system in the game, because if we get Chemist it'll work like Archer, having a magically infinite pool of potions. Mix it with Thief though? Steal steals reagents from enemies, Mix mixes them together and then you use them. Then just throw in the enmity management XI tried for and you can easily go about adding new abilities, just like Bard they wouldn't all have to fit the Job either, unless you're telling me Rain of Death is a spoony ability?

Instead of saying "Thief wont happen", say "I can't imagine Thief happening", because that's what you really mean.

I like how you think this 'CHM/THF idea will make the 'Thief people' happy.

They don't just want the Name Thief in game....they want the name+ a very specific skillset/playstyle. And for most of them, mixing potions and being 'support' isn't it. I mean heck, what weapon will this THF/CHM use (and btw....they'd STILL be pissed, because mostly likely even if this happened, THF would be the class and Chemist would be the 'advance' IE Job. ...meaning no sexy THF AF/weapons/relics etc. )

SE created a class (Rogue) that seems to be very much in line with a 'fast paced, dual-wielding,stealthy, quick attacker DD who's attacks might not pack the same individual punches as other DD's, but w/ speed/position checks/debuffs=formidable beast of a roll.
Ninja=the advance on this (Job). To me it seems most of the butt-hurt boils down to 1. THF is not the name used for either role (even though it functionally could be). 2. Rogue=Ninja and therefore the AF gear appearing in game will NOT be similar to THF. 3. Modest butthurt that the Job is NIN and Not THF....and that NIN is a DPS role in this game vs. tank. (which makes the FFXI people have to deal with effectively 2 letdowns in 1).

What people want is their FFXI THF, and it's skillset/playstyle in THIS game. This is what people are saying is 'not going to happen'

Will they maybe call something THF one day? yeah maybe. but will it play like those most disappointed by the current announcements wish it to play? Nope.
So then, is it really a THF?...or just something with the name?

And if you only want the name Thief in game, regardless of how the class functions/plays...well isn't THAT a little silly?

Again, Rogue/Ninja= very much a 'THF like' play style. So you got the gameplay/DD/playstyle you want. Who cares if they call it the 'Purple Unicorn Fisticuffs'? It plays the SAME.