NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Dijana]

I wonder how many people have read this

These agile fighters pride themselves on their skills with knives and daggers to make quick work of enemies.

Lurking in the shadows, adhering to no laws but their own, they punish the wicked, pilfering their ill-gotten gains and delivering them to the downtrodden masses. Thought by many to be mere common criminals, some would say they play an unseen hand in maintaining order in the buccaneer's haven of Limsa Lominsa.

^ From the lodestone.

This class is thief, with another name. There's no ifs or buts about it. It's thief. With a different name. Now that we've got that out of the way...

Yes, jobs don't have guilds. But rogue IS thief. The jobs are NOT the same thing as the class. They're similar but they are, lorewise, something different. Thief job would be the same thing as rogue, with the exception that they would probably be booted out of their rogue guild because there's a reason they're called ROGUE not THIEF.

Finally, no thief please. I hope they never add it now. I said previously maybe in a diff thread, I prefer the aesthetics of thief over ninja, but thief would add nothing special to gameplay and would be the same role as ninja. It will be a dps with 5 different dps abilities. I really would prefer they use it's 2nd job as something entirely different.

[LoLo]

I wonder how many people have read this


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Finally, no thief please. I hope they never add it now. I said previously maybe in a diff thread, I prefer the aesthetics of thief over ninja, but thief would add nothing special to gameplay and would be the same role as ninja. It will be a dps with 5 different dps abilities. I really would prefer they use it's 2nd job as something entirely different.

How does adding Thief as a job hurt your gameplay if there is a large following who want to play as a Thief job in this game? It is a MMO, and you are not the only one who paid to enjoy it.

[Dijana]

How does adding Thief as a job hurt your gameplay if there is a large following who want to play as a Thief job in this game? It is a MMO, and you are not the only one who paid to enjoy it.

Because you're already getting thief with a different name. Adding jobs of different roles is more beneficial to everyone overall rather than overstuffing one role when you already have something that plays exactly as the job you already want. Its an MMO, and you are not the only one who paid to enjoy it.

[LoLo]

Because you're already getting thief with a different name. Adding jobs of different roles is more beneficial to everyone overall rather than overstuffing one role when you already have something that plays exactly as the job you already want. Its an MMO, and you are not the only one who paid to enjoy it.

After you hit level 30 you can't play Rogue, do you understand that people want to play Thief beyond level 30 with Thief skills like treasure hunter, steal, mug, trick and sneak attack like attacks as well? It isn't just a renamed Thief because it hasn't shown us that it can steal and I dont think it will from the video. Why do you have a problem with Thief being added in the game when it will not harm or effect anyone else's play style?

[Abraxis]

After you hit level 30 you can't play Rogue, do you understand that people want to play Thief beyond level 30 with Thief skills like treasure hunter, steal, mug, trick and sneak attack like attacks as well? It isn't just a renamed Thief because it hasn't shown us that it can steal and I dont think it will from the video. At least I am not like you who has a personal disagreement to letting Thief be added in the game when it will not harm or effect anyone else's play style.

All you're getting at is "I want to play the exact same class that was in Final Fantasy XI!" And normally i HATE this excuse/reasoning, but it the most apt response. This isn't FFXI. It never will be and any similarities that make one think it can, are merely coincidence and/or homage to it, nothing more.

[Dijana]

After you hit level 30 you can't play Rogue, do you understand that people want to play Thief beyond level 30 with Thief skills like treasure hunter, steal, mug, trick and sneak attack like attacks as well? It isn't just a renamed Thief because it hasn't shown us that it can steal and I dont think it will from the video. Why do you have a problem with Thief being added in the game when it will not harm or effect anyone else's play style?

Alright, the first part of that. Their description on the lodestone says

Lurking in the shadows, adhering to no laws but their own, they punish the wicked, pilfering their ill-gotten gains and delivering them to the downtrodden masses.

So, sounds like they do steal. It's a thief, and you continue to play it after 30, just with a different name again. Being a job only changes the name and 5 abilities. You dont know that rogue wont have treasure hunter, steal, mug and all that, I'd put it more likely that it will since Yoshi himself said rogue is thief, and being a dps job, I very much doubt that they would give thief most of the abilities you say you want because they wouldnt affect DPS. Heck, I dont think treasure hunter and steal would even have barely any impact on the game at all unless you just want trash to sell for a few gil to npcs, since all the meaningful items come from chests for defeating a boss, not the boss itself, and are all guaranteed an item.

Secondly, you ask why do I have a problem with it being added to the game? I've said it TWICE now. While I would have preferred the thought of thief over ninja, since Im really not big into the ninja theme, we dont NEED it to have a second job that is the same role. Yes, it would harm and affect others play styles, because hey look, even more dps jobs we dont need. I said having a different role- tank or healer, would be far more beneficial for everyone. DPS queues are already insane, and there are never enough tanks or healers. Up til now, its sounded like we will only ever get 2 jobs per class (eventually). Maybe in the future there will be more, but so far that has never been stated. IF there is no limit to the amount of jobs that can come from a class then I dont care if thief is added someday, but AFTER tanks and healers are sorted out please.

I can understand having a job you really love and want added to the game. Maybe Im biased because I was never that big a fan of thief (I didn't dislike it, just never bothered to really play it) but I've always loved dancer and would love to see that come off rogue as well, but if they added something of the same role, then I was confronted with the question of 'we can add your favourite job which is exactly the same as the one already existing aside from 5 abilities or something with an entirely different role altogether' I would ask for the different one.

Edit: Also, because you keep insisting you dont play a class past 30. Yes. You do.

You continue to gain EXP for the CLASS, you never gain lvls in the JOB.

You continue to get new skills for the CLASS, more skills in the 30-50 range than the JOB.

The only difference is the 5 job specific abilities in place of 5 extra cross class abilities, a stat boost and a new name. Lorewise, they're something else, though they are still considered as remaining part of their class's guild, they've just extended their knowledge to advanced arts. You say you want to continue to PLAY after lvl 30, well, good news! You've been able to do that all along!

[Iriadysa]

Honestly, I don't see the point of classes in this game.

To me, it feels more like baggage from 1.0 than anything else, so saying they are adding Rogue and Ninja really feels like intentional misleading. In my view, they are adding Ninja and that's the end of it.

Until they add a second job that derives from "Rogue", Rogue is exactly the same as Ninja for any practical purposes.

[Meta-Flare]

If you really want to play as a thief (which is what rogue is) just don't become a ninja. It's not perfect but I really don't think thief will be implemented into the game. If so it may be 4 years later like musketeer.

[Gilraen]

There is literally, LITERALLY, nothing stopping you from playing rogue past 30 beyond the community preconception that classes are worthless and should be abandon for Jobs the second you hit level 30. For the stat boost you lose from not equipping a Job you have near boundless multi-class potential. If you want to keep playing rogue into 50 I say go ahead. Most if not all non-AF/Relic gear is for classes and Jobs anyway so you will still be able to keep adequately geared and with the new high level crafted gear you can even use materia to make up for the loss from not equipping a Job. Wanting a Thief Job is really just want to have your cake and eat it too. I mean, really, a DD class with two DD Jobs... not going to happen.

[LoLo]

There is literally, LITERALLY, nothing stopping you from playing rogue past 30 beyond the community preconception that classes are worthless and should be abandon for Jobs the second you hit level 30. For the stat boost you lose from not equipping a Job you have near boundless multi-class potential. If you want to keep playing rogue into 50 I say go ahead. Most if not all non-AF/Relic gear is for classes and Jobs anyway so you will still be able to keep adequately geared and with the new high level crafted gear you can even use materia to make up for the loss from not equipping a Job. Wanting a Thief Job is really just want to have your cake and eat it too. I mean, really, a DD class with two DD Jobs... not going to happen.

Did Yoshi P say that all classes must have one of each job role? Did you know that there will be more than just tank, DD, and healing job roles in the future?