The Cutscene Skipping Debate - Change of View

[Aldora]

I’m sorry, but i just don’t agree with the statement made in the OP. The Duty Finder is not just for people who want to have a quick and easy 100 Myth. It is not just for people who want to “2 boss Myth Brayflox speed run”. The Duty Finder is for everyone. For Veterans, Beginners, Speed Runners and Casuals alike.

The Duty Finder is meant to match up people from a series of servers, so that you would be able to enter a Light/Full party dungeon within a reasonable amount of time without having to form a Light/Full party of your own.

When you queue up in the Duty Finder, you accept the fact that you will be paired up with random people, who have queued up for their own reasons. Be it Speed Running, Story Progression or doing casual runs for fun. You should never force people to hurry up and skip cutscenes, nor should you force people to wait.

If you want to run dungeons your way, form a party in the Party Finder and search for like minded people or join a Linkshell/FC with people who want to run dungeons your way. That goes for everyone. Not just the people who are running the dungeons for the first time or simply want to watch cutscenes. Everyone is entitled to play the game they want to and since we are all playing together, one must not force their playing style onto another.

There is always 2 sides to the same coin and one does not rule over the other.

Before queuing up for a dungeon, i always check of i have enough time to clear the dungeon, in case of a wipe or two. You won’t find me in the DF if i only have 15 minutes for a clear. People who want to watch cutscenes are allowed to do so. I’ll wait for everyone to get ready before advancing the next part. Need to use the potty? Go right ahead. We wipe? We’ll try again until we defeat it. New to a boss fight? I can/will explain it in detail if you want me to.

What rubs me the wrong way is that the lack of respect towards others. People are being rude to an extent that it literally baffles me. Sometimes even “shock” me. If you want people to skip cutscenes, hurry up or express your discontent about people not running things the way you want them to… Talk to them without insulting them, their mothers and their pets.

By the Twelve… We are only playing a game. Let’s not ruin the game for other and enjoy playing it together, ok?

[Razzle]

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Not wanting to watch cutscenes does not equal speed running. You can skip cutscenes and play the run at your pace. (Notice the word "Play", not stand around, but "Play".)
By asking players to wait for CS watchers you don't ask them to not speed run, you ask them to stand there and do Nothing.

Big differance there.

[Velo_Vandore]

9/10 times, I've noticed most people aren't in as much of a rush as people seem to think they are to complete the Myth Roulette for Main Scenario. However, there is always ONE extremely vocal person, who pushes the person to skip - and everyone else is going with the flow. It quickly becomes like a mob mentality and people converge on a single person in a rather vile manner.

This is why I will stick to my guns. Are you new to the dungoun? If yes, do you want to watch the cutscenes? If so, I'm on your side. That is all there is to it. I'm doing this for Myth Roulette bonus too, but I'm not going to step on -you- to get there. And those that think that Roulette is your personal speed run tool? Sorry to say, don't be a hypocrite and do what you tell others to do - make a party finder for your speed runs. The statement goes both ways.

I commend that you support the new players, and I try to do the same. What I've learned (the tricky part) is that everyone has the right to queue on duty finder, whether it be for a story run or a fast myth farm run. When the rest of the group don't want the same, it's difficult to handle and that when both sides can be know to be rude and pushy. I try not to be anymore and while I'll stick to my guns, I won't call people selfish anymore or get nasty.

Oh, so you're welching on the deal. Okay, so it was all talk. I see.

x_x Tule, I feel like you're annoyed by my posts somehow?? Of course I'd rather not switch from a game (that I'm not actually complaining is bad!) to one that I'm skeptical will be able to achieve what I consider the impossible (based on human nature / or the general attitudes of our society).

The question was actually meant to highlight that I don't think any other game can achieve this happy situation that I and others were expecting without compromising something else we enjoy about the game. Of course I don't want to waste my time so that's why I'd love if you can explain how you think the game achieves this. Obviously it could be that there's a downside I'm not happy with, like as you describes with the challenge being greatly lower and aimed at a younger audience.

Besides that I'm into the fantasy style and art of FFXIV and not so much DC hero's, so I'm not literally willing to hop into any game that can offer fast queues, with cutscenes and no rushing. I know that's what I said, but I was trying to make a point rather than literally looking for another game to play. I thought that was clear, but sorry if that came across as insincere.

[Tule]

Not wanting to watch cutscenes does not equal speed running. You can skip cutscenes and play the run at your pace. (Notice the word "Play", not stand around, but "Play".)
By asking players to wait for CS watchers you don't ask them to not speed run, you ask them to stand there and do Nothing.

Big differance there.

Okay, I said nothing about that. So.. random words day?

[Eidolon]

So now we're getting more and more specific. And they range. Most of them are boss introductions, but there are fairly long ones. Like the end of a raid called Prime where the Bad guy is defeated, the good comes in and gives a speech, badguy rises and beats good guy, bad guy gives speech, then both badguy/goodguy exchange taunts and run off"

I actually decided to look this up and I don't feel it's a fair comparison.

9s-24s (ROAR I'M A BOSS) ::: 10:30 to 12:25

You start this raid off with a 15 second cutscene.
You then fight a boss who actively talks in VO's for 10 minutes (And that is on the short side - this was a speed run video)
You then get an two back-to-back cutscenes totalling at most 2 minutes. And by my eye, the cutscene seemed to be freaking out (or it could be the whole clone thing)

So that's at most 2minutes 15 seconds of cutscenes. That's barely ONE cutscene for us final fantasy players, and it's put at the start as well as at the end of the dungoun, and doesn't break the flow of combat or action at any point in time. THAT is why it works there - they aren't of the quality, length, or depth that we as Final Fantasy fans are used to.

Reference Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTvMoDFosU

[Razzle]

Okay, I said nothing about that. So.. random words day?

This implies that he is talking about the way players treat others that want to take it slow. Watching cutscenes is just the vehicle for this debate in XIV. And it only done once. I don't think ANYONE has ever defended the guy who wants to watch the cutscenes EVERYTIME.

The CS watchers defenders don't want others to "take it slow". They want others to stop playing. "Taking it slow" to me, is playing (as in DOING something) at a slow pace, not speed running. But it does not mean not playing at all, or standing around.

[Velo_Vandore]

There are newbies in party finder doing dungeons for the first time. If you force them to skip cut scenes at all you are impinging on their experience. You're being selfish and doing only what you want. People like you are the reason my FC like to take both tanks and both healers in with our new players and force the run to view cut scenes.

Viewing the cut scenes in the inn out of context is not the same. Stop being selfish and let people experience the game correctly. This isn't a debate. You're just wrong and trying to justify it.

Is this aimed at me (OP)? Have another read through please. I never forced speed runs and will always stand beside the player who wants to slow down. I'm simply explaining that i've come to peace with that fact people will use the duty finder for speed runs for the reasons explained in the top post. I don't think it helps to get angry at players who farm on roulette. If they are aggressive and rude however (any player), as I know many are, I'll never condone it. This post is aimed precisely at you I think. Sounds like you're aggressive and forcefull to players (as I have been) who aren't willing to wait for scenes, even if these players say nothing offensive at all.

[Tule]

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Already explained it. It is casual. Like I said, so is CM/Prae. I'm not saying that have a harmony of strangers in every instance, but it does exist commonly, because it gets to the point where there is no need for a 8th member, or a 7th, because of how casual it is. Which is why I don't play it. Which is probably why you won't play it. But CM/Prae are in this game that you do play, and they have that level of casual that doesn't require a 8th or a 7th. And people only want to do it once. You act like they do it all the time. Same with the person who ask me the TYPE of cutscene. Well no one is defending person who wants to watch Tonberry King spawn for the 1,000th time. There are certain circumstances. If you're saying no game exists that is EXACTLY like this. Okay, you're right? So what? That means nothing. Unless you were talking about player behavior, then it could mean something. But I just told you not all games are like that. Then people are come in saying the games I mention don't count because they aren't EXACTLY the same? That isn't the point. Or if it is, then it is a point that makes no sense and holds no weight. You brought up a point, I countered that point. Now you're expanding it with claims about art and type of game? The idea of this thread was about player behavior, nothing else. And if it isn't, then anything posted in this thread is wasted breath and I'll leave.

[Tule]

The CS watchers defenders don't want others to "take it slow". They want others to stop playing. "Taking it slow" to me, is playing (as in DOING something) at a slow pace, not speed running. But it does not mean not playing at all, or standing around.

Again, I didn't bring any of that up. He did. He was talking about wanting a game that allows players to take it slow. Which is what we are talking about. We aren't talking about standing around. Watching cutscenes is playing the game at your own pace. Just standing in the cutscene would be what you are describing, which is not being talked about or defended.

[Tule]

I actually decided to look this up and I don't feel it's a fair comparison.

9s-24s (ROAR I'M A BOSS) ::: 10:30 to 12:25

You start this raid off with a 15 second cutscene.
You then fight a boss who actively talks in VO's for 10 minutes (And that is on the short side - this was a speed run video)
You then get an two back-to-back cutscenes totalling at most 2 minutes. And by my eye, the cutscene seemed to be freaking out (or it could be the whole clone thing)

So that's at most 2minutes 15 seconds of cutscenes. That's barely ONE cutscene for us final fantasy players, and it's put at the start as well as at the end of the dungoun, and doesn't break the flow of combat or action at any point in time. THAT is why it works there - they aren't of the quality, length, or depth that we as Final Fantasy fans are used to.

Reference Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDTvMoDFosU

Again, missing the point of what was said. Read post 28.

That is also why I said most are boss intros, which aren't long at all. And that it isn't about just the cutscenes. Focusing just on the cutscene aspect is missing the entire problem.