The Cutscene Skipping Debate - Change of View

[Velo_Vandore]

About the OP, I see few options:

1. OP done it all, and now he does not care anymore about CS
2. OP states that if majority of players wants skip CS, then force skip CS even to new players, is legit
3. OP is a Cretan

X_X I think it's 3.

Seriously, no... I am saying that people are stupid if they get upset that duty finder is not aimed exclusively at first timers, or that it should be, for one simple reason - If the tomes were not time efficient then players would not come (or at least far less players would). Making cut-scenes unskipable or removing the bonus tomes would not aid the new player at all. They would be waiting ages for a group just as they can do right now on the party finder.

I'm not saying that new players are doing anything wrong if they use the duty finder, or that they are doing anything wrong to watch cutscenes - in fact I highly recommend watching scenes on your first run! What I'm suggesting is that to expect the duty finder group to slow down for you (while there's a chance) is not realistic at all. Also that being rude to players who are farming isn't fair. I would say if you do want to chance the duty finder for your story run then go for it, but when the group decided to leave you behind, politely leave and requeue, or better yet, use party finder. If every new player used party finder it would be easier to get a group. I see duty finder as the "I don't wanna wait, I just wanna clear" option, or "I can't get a preformed, I'll take my chances and hope for some considerate players". both of which are fine in my opinion. What's not fine is "I wanna watch scenes, wtf aren't these ****heads waiting for me! Selfish! RAH RAH RAH!". They're myth farming, hard luck ok. You can stay and get dragged through or you can try another group. You took a chance with DF and got unlucky.

Regarding option 1 - I haven't done it all. I waited a long time for my first run of a lot of dungeons. I never compromise my first run by skipping scenes or even skipping chests / mob groups. Sometimes when I can't preformed for my first for over a week after I unlocked it, I'll try to take a chance with duty finder, but that normally ends up with me saying "sorry, I'm looking for a slow run" and leaving. I don't keep re-queuing cause it's a pain for me and for them, but I do reserve my right to queue should I feel like it. What I won't do is be rude to the group for not wanting to help me out (not anymore). Lost City of Ampador is my next new content - I'm taking that a step further and waiting for a completely new / blind group so we can actually figure out the strats together without guides / being told what to do. It means I have to wait... and wait... and wait... but for me it's worth it. I'm not complaining because it's my choice - just like it's a choice if you watch scenes or not.

EDIT: ok, that gramma is so bad I'm not even gonna try correcting it <_< hope you get the gist anyway

[Razzle]

Nowhere is it stated that DF is for new players. Nowhere. It's simply a party matching tool, for new players, for vet players, for big players and small players

Call it convinience, quaility of life. DF being for new players is an illusion.

[Raestloz]

About the OP, I see few options:

1. OP done it all, and now he does not care anymore about CS
2. OP states that if majority of players wants skip CS, then force skip CS even to new players, is legit
3. OP is a Cretan

Congratulations, you have managed to miss the point. {please insert a joke about going the extra mile here}

The OP is basically saying, "No, DF is not only for first timers. If you expect others to respect first-timers, first timers better respect the others too, better skip a bunch of cutscenes than never entering CM in the first place"

[Yoji]

Don't know if it's been suggested already, seems such a simple solution to me: allow cut scenes to be watched BEFORE queuing for duty (from the menu) and remove cut scene auto-play at the start of dungeons?

Edit: I guess the problem is mid-duty cut scenes? Didn't think about that.

[Maduro]

Don't know if it's been suggested already, seems such a simple solution to me: allow cut scenes to be watched BEFORE queuing for duty (from the menu) and remove cut scene auto-play at the start of dungeons?

Edit: I guess the problem is mid-duty cut scenes? Didn't think about that.

This would be great. Let the people new to the dungeon view the CS when they que up for the run and allow people to just skip all of the CSs with a button click. I'm relatively new so there is a ton of content I haven't done, but skip a lot of the CSs because I don't want to get left behind. My first run on the main scenario dungeon where you ride the Magitek mount I ended up being completely lost because everyone left me behind (and I was even skipping the CSs, but for some reason my PC takes forever to even let me skip). I would just like something that would let me auto-skip previously viewed CSs like they have for the previously viewed travel scenes.

[Foo01]

...I'm relatively new so there is a ton of content I haven't done, but skip a lot of the CSs because I don't want to get left behind....

First timers should never have to feel this way or be pressured this way. If 1st-timer no skip was implemented, no 1st-time will ever have to feel like that. Skip should only be done when people have done them before.

[Farah]

I don't mind cutscenes with new players. It gives me a chance to rebuff people with stuff like stoneskin. I can also type out the boss fight explanations while they watch the cutscene, so that when the newbies get out they have the information they need.

I think if people want to continue the run while someone watches a cutscene that is their choice. What I don't like is people being hostile about it. There is no reason to be rude. I understand having to run dungeons for all the myth needed for animus is annoying, but that isn't an excuse to yell at new players. You can ask them to please skip cutscenes if you are in that much of a hurry. Ask, don't go "OMG SKIP THE CS YOU NEWB!!!"

That is the only thing that bothers me. I join lower level dungeons a lot to help out. I've run into a lot of good new players that just need a bit of direction. I only get a bad new player once in a blue moon. Like yesterday during chimera it was a new tank so me (healer) and my friend (warrior tank) tried to help him out with positioning and he just screamed at us.

Anyway I'm getting off topic now but yeah, I don't mind people skipping cutscenes and continuing the run just don't be hostile towards those watching them.

Oh also, about the mentoring. I feel their shouldn't be a reward more then just the points. If their is a reward, people would only do it for the reward rather than helping the player. Kind of like how people did commendation farming just for the reward. Only keep the points so that people can see how helpful someone can be as a mentor. I think that is enough satisfaction for people who are actually trying to help.

[Foo01]

The PF is not for first timer period. There is no and, but, except whatever. The first timers have NO way to know how or what to set up the party finder for. That is just utter nonsense to expect 1st-timers to do that. The speed runners should use the PF for speed running, but then they don't because there is no reward for that. They just want to take the reward for granted is all and run roughshod over all the noobs.

The OP just want to rationalize his loss of empathy and forget how he once was noob too, and just want to take the rewards for granted. Skipping cutscenes should be automatically disabled by the system if there is a 1st-timer. That is how it should be done, but SE decided to let people try to do this with their best behavior.

I leveled a tank so I can go to Castrum and Praetorium and tell everyone of those speed runners to wait for the 1st-timers. I queue main scenario roulette regularly to do exactly that. And it is like a 1 in 20 chance that I get a 1st-timer, the other 19 times I get fast myths, so you are really get 19x the rewards to sit thru the cutscenes once. This deal is more than fair and you still can't care about that 1st-timere. Talk about elitist attitudes! Taking everything and everyone else for granted.

[Velo_Vandore]

Foo, then why does the "newcomers welcome", and "Story focused - no cutscene skipping" options exist in party finder? I found the party finder long before the last dungeon. While I can accept some may not have it's certainly an option for many. The issue is that it's used very little for anything other than experienced only groups of farming groups. The learning groups are normally only for very hard content not regular dungeons.

I didn't lose my empathy Foo. I joined a first timer for a Quarn run that he set up in duty finder last week. We explored all the area's and got all the chests. There was nothing in it for me but enjoying seeing this player enjoy his first run (i guess it was just fun for me too). I invited the player to my linkshell which is dedicated to helping people find a patient and considerate group, particularly for first time runs. Another player was shouting in Mor Dohna for a first time Castrum Run. I invited them to my shell, but unfortunately couldn't get a group together as everyone in my FC, and 3 linkshells was busy (out of my control). I asked them if they'd like me to join in duty finder, but they preferred not to. I am always happy to help any new player. Since 2.8 and forever more, I'll be setting my party finder search criteria for story focused, slow and easy, newcomers welcome and they'll have a white mage so long as I'm on and not in a group already. I really think this is the best option for new players (far better than making cutscenes mandatory for all) and hope square can improve this area and make it more apparent to casual / new players (see my suggestions in OP). Just so you know, I have done about 3 speedruns ever. I don't enjoy them at all - this being about me losing empathy is way off.

I was actually inspired by one of your own posts back along to enter duty finder and reclaim it for noobs. I'm a healer and I would stay back with any new player while they watched the cutscenes. I still would, but I'll no longer start to harass the other players telling them they are selfish for not waiting. If I can I'll encourage the group to wait for the player, if most aren't willing and can carry on regardless, I can respect that decision and will simply wish the new player the best (offer assistance after if on my server).

I'm not talking about letting the new players get bullied into skipping scenes and rushing through. I'm talking about dealing with the situation in the best way and not judging others.

If the cutscenes were mandatory then players would not get a group for days... some new players would rather just get the clear than queue for days. Don't you see that? If you keep queuing and helping out other new players I am totally supporting that, but I won't support anyone who'll guilt and harass players who decide they aren't happy to do the run slowly (also I won't support players who guilt and harass players to speed up).