Why do the Egis appearance look awful and unimpressive

[Deifact]

Just wanting to pipe in and quietly mention lore isn't a good justification for anything... The lore in this game is a total mess with contradictions aplenty...

[Diavolo]

Actually it has zero basis in lore whatsoever.

The premise of primals isn't that you need a ton of crystals and/or lives to summon them, it's that they're stronger the more of those things they have. We know this because in the main story quest both Ifrit and Titan are summoned by the cries of only 3 of their respective beast tribe members, none of which had any crystals in their possession that we know of. The only lore that exists to justify the egis is the lore they added specifically for summoner quests, in other words AFTER they decided to go the egi route.

What I got from it was they needed crystals/followers/sacrifices. And if what you say is the case, then it just justifies it. You're summoning the essence of a primal without crystals/etc to make it stronger...so...

[AmyNeudaiz]

Just wanting to pipe in and quietly mention lore isn't a good justification for anything... The lore in this game is a total mess with contradictions aplenty...

Not white knight but the lore in this game is plenty non-contradictory as you can get when they literally rewrote the plot for the story and took it in a new direction. There's not a lot of "contradictions" outside of the things that people get confused about.

Otherwise it's just harassment.

If I'm harassing the OP then what do you call your replies to me? Accusations against my person, attempts to discredit, bringing up previous posts...
C'mon now.

[Kiroh]

What I got from it was they needed crystals/followers/sacrifices. And if what you say is the case, then it just justifies it. You're summoning the essence of a primal without crystals/etc to make it stronger...so...

Did you not read the "the main storyline completely destroys your argument by summoning full-sized, full bodied primals from no crystals and the calls of only 3 beastmen?" part of that post?

You didn't, did you?

[Diavolo]

Did you not read the "the main storyline completely destroys your argument by summoning full-sized, full bodied primals from no crystals and the calls of only 3 beastmen?" part of that post?

You didn't, did you?

I did and it's not my argument. I was just presenting both sides of the coin. I'm not a summoner and don't care to be, so really doesn't bother me. Get your knickers out of its knot, now. The primals we first fight aren't all that powerful, but they are summoned by followers and have followers. As the story goes on, it talks about such and such gathering crystals, etc. for a more powerful form of *insert primal*, so I don't get what you're saying at all. Again, summoners aren't worshipers/followers of the primals and as such, I don't see why they should have anything near as big/illustrious as the people who actually worship these primals do. I'm done discussing this with you, however, as you seem to be rather flustered.

[Pandastirfry]

Actually it has zero basis in lore whatsoever.

The premise of primals isn't that you need a ton of crystals and/or lives to summon them, it's that they're stronger the more of those things they have. We know this because in the main story quest both Ifrit and Titan are summoned by the cries of only 3 of their respective beast tribe members, none of which had any crystals in their possession that we know of. The only lore that exists to justify the egis is the lore they added specifically for summoner quests, in other words AFTER they decided to go the egi route.

Uh...you need to pay attention to the story better, The Amal'ja Had been stealing shipments of crystals and kidnapping people prior to that in order to summon Ifrit, we just happened to be there at the culmination of their efforts, same goes for the Summoning of Titan, they also draw upon the collective belief of all their tempered thralls, not just the one doing the summoning. Only the Ixal had summoned the Primal previous to us showing up, but yet again the stealing of crystal shipments/kid napping of people was a major theme of the quests leading up to the fight. This is spelled out in the main story. in the 1.0 story line it was even pointed out the the Twelve can also be summoned in a similar fashion and was even floated by the Path of the Twelve/Scions of the Seventh Dawn as a possible solution to the whole Meteor Problem. but that it is just as detremental to the aetheric balance of the world as summoning the Primals, and would make us "No better than the Beast Tribes".

The lore for Summoner is that we're not calling upon belief or the power of the crystals. We're not summoning a willing Primal. we're forcibly binding a small amount of the aetheric essence of the Primal. Basically unlike WoW's Warlock or FFXI's Summoner who make contracts or blood pacts with their summons, we are, to use a more accurate term, "enslaving" the primal's essence. One could argue that FFXIV's Summoner is actually more "evil" than WoW's Warlock.

[Tharian]

I know Summoner's summon the Primals in the form of high spirits...

Summoners do not summon the Primals in the form of High Spirits. In fact Summoners do not even summon the Primals at all. What Summoners actually summon is a small split off portion of the Primal's essence or power. The modern day summoners do not have the capability to individually summon full scale Primals the way you seem to want us to be able to. So please drop it. If you are unsatisfied with the Summoner class for aesthetic reasons go play something else.

...It's most prevalant with anyone who played SMN in FFXI...

Don't lump all former FFXI Summoners in the same ball of wax. Not all of us feel the same way as Akiza here.

Not all of them were short either, the FF8 GF Eden had like a 3 or 4 minute summon scene, I used to get up and get a snack while I summoned it. lol

Why on earth would anyone waste their precious time getting a snack while summoning Eden, when they should be mashing their Square-Button so that they can BOOST Eden to 250... I mean it is the only summon in the game that you can do that for...

[Kiroh]

Uh...you need to pay attention to the story better, The Amal'ja Had been stealing shipments of crystals and kidnapping people prior to that in order to summon Ifrit, we just happened to be there at the culmination of their efforts, same goes for the Summoning of Titan, they also draw upon the collective belief of all their tempered thralls, not just the one doing the summoning.

During Garuda's story, outside of their respective homelands, with only 3, average beastmen and zero crystals they were summoned full sized and full bodied.

Pay attention to the story before telling other people to pay attention to the story.

[Tharian]

During Garuda's story, outside of their respective homelands, with only 3, average beastmen and zero crystals they were summoned full sized and full bodied.

Pay attention to the story before telling other people to pay attention to the story.

Full sized, full bodied, and severely underpowered. Both Titan and Ifrit got pwned in 2 seconds flat. Garuda (who had substantial amounts of crystals, and a lot more Beastmen supporting her) lasted only a tiny bit of time longer than them.

If those three Primals had all been full powered, and they had been working together instead of poised to fight each other. They might have actually stood a chance against their actual enemy.

[Pandastirfry]

During Garuda's story, outside of their respective homelands, with only 3, average beastmen and zero crystals they were summoned full sized and full bodied.

Pay attention to the story before telling other people to pay attention to the story.

again, like I said, it was said that the Ixal had been stealing crystals and we had been told that the Primals draw upon the collective belief of ALL of their tempered thralls not just the ones actively doing the summoning and at that point Garuda had already been summoned and been wreaking havoc on settlements in Gridania for a few days. We are also told that when summoned in that fashion the Primals are Persistent until they are killed and the Ixal were still stealing crystals to both maintain and increase Garuda's power, so Garuda in that scene was not so much summoned, as just shows up. It is spelled out for you (admitly it was better explained in 1.0 as the Garuada/Ixal part of the Main story is just history repeating itself ).