Why do the Egis appearance look awful and unimpressive

[abesut]

wait how is the lore messed up by a thing that hasn't been added to the lore, or even the game, at all yet? It was only announced as a mechanic they want to add some time in the future, and to be fair, was announced before ARR's launch and never really mentioned since.

Say all you want. Primals will Always be selfish and bad, because that's their nature. No matter what they say to make it O.K to summon primals through FC, it would still go against lore, since Primals are BAD, in any way. We get through the whole current Storyline in which Primals are presented as selfish and merciless monsters with their own agenda, no matter how they put it in the future to make primal summoning O.K, it would still go against EVERYTHING we have been through in the storyline. It would be like saying Sin from FFX suddenly became good, cause ya know..I changed the lore that all of sudden. Wouldn't make sense.
But please, I would love to hear of a way to summon THE primal, and not have it go against all of current lore. And have it fit, so the FC; Yellowpink fluffy bunnies can summon them like some retainer when they feel like it.

cheers!

EDIT: the Point of my post is to Point out the contradictions in this game, and the fact that you can't use LORE as an argument for anything in this game, anymore. Cause SE will change it regardless of the lore, and that it why they CAN change whatever they feel like changing; like making egis more impressive.

[Pandastirfry]

EDIT: the Point of my post is to Point out the contradictions in this game, and the fact that you can't use LORE as an argument for anything in this game, anymore. Cause SE will change it regardless of the lore, and that it why they CAN change whatever they feel like changing; like making egis more impressive.

well the problem is...your example is using Lore that doesn't exist. because like I said, they mentioned it before release and haven't mentioned it since then ( I think they're actually hoping will forget they said it)...so how about using a Lore Contradiction that actually exists in game

[Tharian]

I know Summoner's summon the Primals in the form of high spirits...

Summoners do not summon the Primals in the form of High Spirits. In fact Summoners do not even summon the Primals at all. What Summoners actually summon is a small split off portion of the Primal's essence or power. The modern day summoners do not have the capability to individually summon full scale Primals the way you seem to want us to be able to. So please drop it. If you are unsatisfied with the Summoner class for aesthetic reasons go play something else.

...It's most prevalant with anyone who played SMN in FFXI...

Don't lump all former FFXI Summoners in the same ball of wax. Not all of us feel the same way as Akiza here.

Not all of them were short either, the FF8 GF Eden had like a 3 or 4 minute summon scene, I used to get up and get a snack while I summoned it. lol

Why on earth would anyone waste their precious time getting a snack while summoning Eden, when they should be mashing their Square-Button so that they can BOOST Eden to 250... I mean it is the only summon in the game that you can do that for...

[Spellbinder]

Why is it assumed that anyone that wishes to see the appearance of Egis changed/improved wants something the size of a skyscraper?

I'd gladly settle for something the size of a Hyur or a Roegadyn...or even my chocobo.

[NyxNoughtNothing]

Why is it assumed that anyone that wishes to see the appearance of Egis changed/improved wants something the size of a skyscraper?

I'd gladly settle for something the size of a Hyur or a Roegadyn...or even my chocobo.

Seems reasonable to me. Not a towering colossus so much as something that actually looks like it's a bigger threat than a well trained chocobo.

[MartaDemireux]

I said this in response to her post in another thread and I'll say it again here:

I thought it was proven via lore that SMN essentially molds the current pets out of 3 crystals (the ones that spin around them during summoning). They fuse the crystals together with aetheric and elemental energies. Since they're only using 3 crystals they get a much different looking pet from the primals while still maintaining a similar appearance. The reason the primals look the way they do is because of the tens of thousands of crystals the beast tribes use in their summoning. They would look much different than they do now with even more crystals used. The problem is that the more crystals you use, the more they look like their primal form, the less control over them the user will have.

I could see them adding a stance via job quest when the level cap is raised in order to use more crystals in your summoning. The stance would weaken the user, strengthen the pet, and make the user have less control over the pet for a more primal looking egi, similar to the ones that assist in the EX battles. Perhaps they'd gain actions to coerce their pets to do their bidding by sacrificing their Aetherflow stacks. Normally have no control over the egi, use of 1 stack gains you control for a short period of time, 2 stacks for a bit longer period of time, 3 stacks for even longer period of time. Or perhaps you could directly use just one attack per Aetherflow charge.

[Riardon]

What I understood from this thread is the very few people pay real attetion to the story and all those texts every npc says. Summoners in this game will never summon full formed primals. The egi's could look better though without being a copy of the full primal ofc. They are supposed to be a weapon but they seem too cute for something dangerous. Maybe future egis will look better who knows.

[Amberion]

Currently the whole plot is building up to our Free Companies actually being able to summon Primals fully.

True, it's just from a FF series perspective, it makes more sense for the Summoner job to summon them then just random people.

And even then they could have made the plot work. If a a summoner summoned a de-powered one, then an FC would be more people = stronger Primal.

But meh, all that is "What If?" arguments since it's really hard for them to rewrite what's already in the game.

[Nalien]

True, it's just from a FF series perspective, it makes more sense for the Summoner job to summon them then just random people.

But it doesn't from a MMO perspective. Summoner is one of the things you think of when you think Final Fantasy and it's really one of the most well know, overpowered, and flashy Jobs in the game. FFXs story revolved around the Job. In a MMO though, all Jobs should be equal. Again, Summoner is already overpowered in these regards even despite the work they put in. Black Mage gets Flare. White Mage gets Holy. Dragoon gets Dragonfire Dive. Summoner? That gets Aerial Blast, Earthen Fury, Inferno, and that's just the "ultimate" moves, as well as a gap which will only become greater when Summoner gets Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva -Egi.

I'm more concerned as to why we didn't get Leviathan on FFX though

Wasn't Sin basically Leviathan? I seem to remember it basically being a summon Yu Yevon used to protect himself while he turned himself into a purple balloon. I felt it was a throwback to FFIV; Sin was the ultimate summon in Spira, in IV Leviathan was the King of Summons.

[Exodus-E]

Wasn't Sin basically Leviathan? I seem to remember it basically being a summon Yu Yevon used to protect himself while he turned himself into a purple balloon.

Not quite.
Sin is not exactly Water-based, but instead, Gravity-based, given that in order to get made, it had to attract a LARGE quantity of pyreflies, as well as having a Final Summoning as the base of it (which also explains why it had attacks such as Giga Graviton and the like).