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  1. #51
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    Hello,

    There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

    While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are not spiritbonding and acting in ways only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.
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    Last edited by Camate; 06-05-2014 at 06:38 AM. Reason: clarification
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

    While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are doing this only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.
    What do you feel the issue is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,
    While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are doing this only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.
    Thats the exact result of a system where gearscore is calculated by item levels rather than actual total bonus "power" that comes from the items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    Thats the exact result of a system where gearscore is calculated by item levels rather than actual total bonus "power" that comes from the items.
    Clearly we need Vegeta on the case then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    Thats the exact result of a system where gearscore is calculated by item levels rather than actual total bonus "power" that comes from the items.
    SO true./10char
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

    While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are doing this only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.
    you may want to clarify your post before people think its OK to report people for spiritbonding. i was able to make sense of it but this post is already being misintepreted in other threads by people who think it is now ok to vote kick/report people for spiritbonding
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riko_Futatabi View Post
    Clearly we need Vegeta on the case then.
    So much this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhandra View Post
    you may want to clarify your post before people think its OK to report people for spiritbonding. i was able to make sense of it but this post is already being misintepreted in other threads by people who think it is now ok to vote kick/report people for spiritbonding
    I clarified my post a bit. Thanks for the suggestion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

    While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are doing this only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.
    Then your team needs to go back a rethink things.

    A straight average system is broken, since gear that gives lots of Def/MDef and accessories that only give +1/+1 are not equal in terms of being able to complete higher level content. While most of the Examples for the system being broken, in this thread are blatant attempts at trolling/harassment and if seen should be reported like you say. Using the Free AF job quest gear + GC weapon + ilevel 90 accessories, will get you into almost all content, without you having enough Def/MDef to survive it and its the most likely upgrade path that new people will follow, since their accessories will be the most lacking due to not being given any from quests rewards.

    And if wearing lower level or offclass gear for Spiritbonding is now not acceptable at all, during Dungeons. I am really going to consider quitting and only coming back for patch months. At least the way I do it anyway, that is only some right side accessories while having my other equipped gear(right class) be so over-ileveled that I still meet the ilevel requirements for the Dungeon with nothing equipped in those spots. Since really the only things left in the game for me to do is farm dungeons for vanity, finish gearing up my crafters and atma farm. And I can't stand atma farming anymore, going on 25+ hours without a drop, Really who ever thought of having a Quest involve RNG in any way, should no longer be allowed to design quests. There never should be the possibility of never being able to complete a Quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,

    There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

    While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are not spiritbonding and acting in ways only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.
    The issue of ilevel comes from it's inaccuracy. A healer could be wearing all i100 accessories but they are all STR which means those accessories do nothing to help their job and in fact makes them only an ilevel worthy of whatever they muster from the rest of their gear.

    The best perspective to give would be this.

    If a healer wearing weapon/head/body/legs/feet/waist all of i100 were fit for them but wearing 2 rings/earrings/wrist/neck pieces that were all STR and if all the gear was i100 then technically if you cut out the useless gear that does nothing for them they are ilevel 54 because the accesories they are using do not provide anything useful for their job/services they are relying purely on their main gear for attributes.

    What the Dev team should try to look into is not an ilevel but rather an istat based on the job being used. Rather than saying oh it's ok if you are using i100 gear even with STR gear that does nothing for yout job it should be oh you need mnd 500 to be able to do this and to obtain mnd 500 you just need i70 full gear that provides mnd for that job.

    That's where the problem lies because if a player enters an instance say a healer and they aren't using a full set of mnd gear but they are still seen as irequired then they are hurting the party because in reality they aren't properly geared for the event.
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