ilvl Requirement "The Broken System"

[Kagoma]

So we all know how ilvl works

(90+90+90+80+70+50)/6=78

Now lets put it into a bit of perspective

10 Weapon
10 Head
10 Body 90 Neck
10 Hands 90 Ear
90 Waist 90 Wrist
10 Legs 90 Ring1
10 Feet 90 Ring2
Average ilvl 50

This person would be considered geared enough to run hard mode dungons

I swap the Feet or any of the lvl 10 gear above for a ilvl 70 piece you hit ilvl 55
Now you can run The Expert dungeons
Want to do Trial Roulette swap out 2 ilvl 10 pieces for ilvl 70 pieces ilvl 60

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't think that a ring or a neck piece is as important as a weapon, chest or leg piece.
Hell with this system you could be wearing Healing Rings as a Tank just to hit that ilvl requirement. Yea the HP drop would be noticeable but not until you where standing next to that person and could see there HP bar. This would be even less noticeable on a DPS class I/E BLM with Striker Rings.

[Kagoma]

If you want to keep this rating system it needs to be overhauled. A person of ilvl 92 may be better geared then an ilvl 96 if the person, If they have appropriate gear equipped and there 3 highest ilvl pieces are Weapon, Body and Legs vs the ilvl 96 who's ilvl consist of ilvl 100 or 110 rings that does not even benefit there job. Hell you could join a group PF or DF and then just swap to lower lvl gear once in the instance, the system would not be any wiser.

I don't know about the rest of you but I would not wont to be stuck healing a ilvl 80 Tank that's missing his body piece, or stuck with dps with an ilvl 10 weapon.

I don't think that anyone out there would take advantage of this system but there is a problem with it.

[Zumi]

This is a non issue because the almost every player does not try to enter dungeons with level 10 weapons never seen it happen myself. If they are doing something like that its obviously to harass the other players, and they can be vote kicked.

[Rhas]

This is a non issue because the almost every player does not try to enter dungeons with level 10 weapons never seen it happen myself. If they are doing something like that its obviously to harass the other players, and they can be vote kicked.

Or they are truly new and don't know better. You can be reported for vote kick abuse. Not having current gear is not on the list for acceptable vote kick use.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Or they are truly new and don't know better. You can be reported for vote kick abuse. Not having current gear is not on the list for acceptable vote kick use.

if someone has i90 gear, there is no way they have i10 weapon. Its only possible if they are trolling

[Kagoma]

if someone has i90 gear, there is no way they have i10 weapon. Its only possible if they are trolling

I used that as more of an extreme case more likely you will see ilvl 42-46 weapons with ilvl 90 gear in your roulette partys. Or what I have seen more recently some one using ilvl 90 gear from other jobs stuff they got from playing there main and said hey I need to hit ilvl req so ill uses this to get in. Or Join any 50 content in crafting gear to spritbind and expect to have your ass carried. You only need ilvl 55 gear in all slots , and 2 random ilvl 90 pieces to hit ilvl 60.

If it does not apply for your job position the ilvl of that piece should be 0.

I don't mind helping those with a low ilvl gear up in 4-8 content, but what I do mind are those who cheat the system.

[Rhas]

if someone has i90 gear, there is no way they have i10 weapon. Its only possible if they are trolling

Like it or not, that is not an acceptable use of vote kick. Not that I agree with that either. Votekicking that guy can possibly get you in trouble with a GM.

Persoanlly, if I need to spiritbond a low piece of gear for certain materia it would probably be a ring.

[Enepttastic]

It's broken for the following reason....<snip>

To elaborate on this: ilvl means jack aside from how much stats a piece of gear has. Considering that it's simple to wear something that's horrifically inappropriate to your job, but easily available, to bypass the restriction means the system's broken. Not to mention that it can also give new players some very, very bad ideas.

No but a lot of elitist use your ilvl and the kind of gear...<snip>

I remember loathing the ilvl concept when it showed up in whatever addon it was and also being royally irritated with the devs that they made it an obvious part of the game there for the very same elitist mindsets. I have, on several times in various games, out-tanked or out-dps'ed players who's gear is leaps and bounds above my own. Skill trumps gear in many games and is why I've always based my opinion on someone's ability on their actions, not the gear they wear.

Like it or not, that is not an acceptable use of vote kick. Not that I agree with that either. Votekicking that guy can possibly get you in trouble with a GM.

Persoanlly, if I need to spiritbond a low piece of gear for certain materia it would probably be a ring.

There's a difference between having a single low piece of gear that doesn't matter terribly much and being decked out in 10-20 ilvl gear with a piece or two high enough to raise the average level. The first case, especially if it doesn't keep the person from doing their job, would be an inappropriate use of vote-kicking. The second case is someone willfully attempting to ruin others' gaming experiences and should not cause issues with GMs. That said, one should be certain to take copious amounts of screenshots to prove your side if needed.

[AmyNeudaiz]

This is a non issue because the almost every player does not try to enter dungeons with level 10 weapons never seen it happen myself. If they are doing something like that its obviously to harass the other players, and they can be vote kicked.

I've actually had this happen a couple of times where someone has an extremely low level weapon in high level content. One time that comes to mind is a Bard with a level 1 weapon doing Chimera and another recently was another Bard using a level 44 aetherial weapon in Titan HM

[Docj]

This is a non issue because the almost every player does not try to enter dungeons with level 10 weapons never seen it happen myself. If they are doing something like that its obviously to harass the other players, and they can be vote kicked.

^ this.

also, I think we should be able to see a player's iLv when we examine them. i'd even go a step further and say that separate player level and item level is a stupid idea to begin with. I think a players level should have to be the same as the gear they want to wear; too late for that now tho.