ilvl Requirement "The Broken System"

[Duuude007]

Let's add a little reality to this perspective:

90 Neck Only available from SECOND Coil. With i90 or higher requirements.
90 Ear-- Only available by defeating Titan EX or from Coil. Both with i70 or higher requirements.
90 Waist-- Craftable. Very expensive. Prohibitively expensive for someone hitting their first lv 50 class.
90 Wrist-- Only available by defeating Ifrit EX or from Coil. Both with i70 or higher requirements.
90 Ring1-- Easiest to earn costs 385 Mythology, very slow to earn unless already doing Hard mode dungeons. One ideal per class type.
90 Ring2--Ideal 2nd ring only available by defeating Garuda EX or from Coil. Both with i70 or higher requirements.

What does this mean?

Only 3 items of your list of i90's can even be cheated on without having ever stepped foot into a hard mode dungeon.

Lets re-tally your numbers then, based on what accessories ARE accessible, under a best-case scenario.

10 Weapon
10 Head
10 Body 70 Neck -crafted via old philo mats x9
10 Hands 70 Ear -crafted via old philo mats x9
90 Waist 70 Wrist -crafted via old philo mats x9
10 Legs 90 Ring1
10 Feet 90 Ring2
Average ilvl 45

So. Too low for HM,CT, Coil. Too low for even WP or AK.

Sure, if you made ALL the other gear i20, you would barely qualify as i50, but would be unable to function.

At any rate, why someone would spend SO much gil on attaining those accessories (as they couldnt realistically be earned by farming) ...without putting any consideration into their core gear, is beyond my comprehension.

...and this silly way of circumventing game mechanics is so unusual that VERY few would even consider it. By then one should at LEAST have the AF sets, which is considered low-end acceptable in lv 50 dungeons.

If I walk into a HM dungeon and see a tank with sub 3000 hp, I will be asking questions, and if unsatisfied, I will leave.

TL; DR ---Players have standards that make your example of cheating the system irrelevant.

[Gormogon]

It's broken for the following reason.

There's arguably 3 sets of BiS gear yet there's an alienation between the 3. Yet the best form is having a mix and match between the 3 to allocate stats to your choosing playstyle and form.

People associate gear with skill instead of an individual for being an individual unless he becomes a sort of e-celeb. It's easier to stereotype and try and group players into a category to avoid needless attempts.

Regardless it's a pointless system integrated by community players.

I'd rather do myth farms with an ilvl 80 blm that knows what he's doing or is willing to listen than a ilvl110 blm that doesn't and prefers to be stubborn.

[necrosis]

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Holy crap I never even thought of this.

I just never unlocked PS till I was *FORCED* to in 2.2 in order to even do that roulette set.

Still I think the bigger problem is SE setting the ilvl requirements for dungeons pathetically low. Borderline impossibly low.

[Osha_Sohma]

If someone has a level 50 job they can farm myth and kit their alt job out in level 90 accessories (they're cheap) if they want. I don't know why they would do so unless trolling, but there you are.

[Alistaire]

It's broken for the following reason.

There's arguably 3 sets of BiS gear yet there's an alienation between the 3. Yet the best form is having a mix and match between the 3 to allocate stats to your choosing playstyle and form.

People associate gear with skill instead of an individual for being an individual unless he becomes a sort of e-celeb. It's easier to stereotype and try and group players into a category to avoid needless attempts.

Regardless it's a pointless system integrated by community players.

I'd rather do myth farms with an ilvl 80 blm that knows what he's doing or is willing to listen than a ilvl110 blm that doesn't and prefers to be stubborn.

See here's the thing about that. Nobody expects "average ilvl" to become a perfect representation of skill. And I'm not disagreeing with you at all. It's just that I think that, while agreeing completely with what you say, it wouldn't hurt to make the ilvl average a more accurate depiction of a person's relevant stats on their gear. Depicting skill is a lost cause. Depicting the difference between what an i100 body does for someone's potential vs an i100 ring should be doable, and should be done.

[Velox]

This 100%. All body pieces should have a higher weight than jewelery. Weapon should be weighted the highest due to WD being worth so much more than other stats.

How I would weight it

Gear Type        Weighted %
----------------------------
2-hand Weapon:   40%     
1-hand Weapon:   25%
Shield:          15%
Body:            10%  
Legs:            10%
Head:            5%
Hands:           5%
Feet:            5%
Waist:           5%
Earring:         4%
Neck:            4%
Wrists:          4%
Ring:            4%
Ring:            4%
----------------------------
TOTAL:           100%

[Gormogon]

See here's the thing about that. Nobody expects "average ilvl" to become a perfect representation of skill.

No but a lot of elitist use your ilvl and the kind of gear you use as the stone to establish your skill and others follow because that's what players that are doing "better" than them do.

Not saying this is what happens 100% of the time but it has enough influence to get other players to do the same and twist it even more.

[waldo]

Holy crap I never even thought of this.

I just never unlocked PS till I was *FORCED* to in 2.2 in order to even do that roulette set.

Still I think the bigger problem is SE setting the ilvl requirements for dungeons pathetically low. Borderline impossibly low.

Have I opened a can of worms here? Oh noes!!!
PS: I wouldn't fault anyone for doing it.

[Enepttastic]

It's broken for the following reason....<snip>

To elaborate on this: ilvl means jack aside from how much stats a piece of gear has. Considering that it's simple to wear something that's horrifically inappropriate to your job, but easily available, to bypass the restriction means the system's broken. Not to mention that it can also give new players some very, very bad ideas.

No but a lot of elitist use your ilvl and the kind of gear...<snip>

I remember loathing the ilvl concept when it showed up in whatever addon it was and also being royally irritated with the devs that they made it an obvious part of the game there for the very same elitist mindsets. I have, on several times in various games, out-tanked or out-dps'ed players who's gear is leaps and bounds above my own. Skill trumps gear in many games and is why I've always based my opinion on someone's ability on their actions, not the gear they wear.

Like it or not, that is not an acceptable use of vote kick. Not that I agree with that either. Votekicking that guy can possibly get you in trouble with a GM.

Persoanlly, if I need to spiritbond a low piece of gear for certain materia it would probably be a ring.

There's a difference between having a single low piece of gear that doesn't matter terribly much and being decked out in 10-20 ilvl gear with a piece or two high enough to raise the average level. The first case, especially if it doesn't keep the person from doing their job, would be an inappropriate use of vote-kicking. The second case is someone willfully attempting to ruin others' gaming experiences and should not cause issues with GMs. That said, one should be certain to take copious amounts of screenshots to prove your side if needed.

[LatisFarsight]

to OP , did you just made up a scenario then bitched about it ?!!!? LOL
I'm not sure if what you want is to block noobs from doing 4 man dungeons or to block trolls from doing 4 man dungeons.