ilvl Requirement "The Broken System"

[Marowit]

Hello,

There are currently no plans to change the method for averaging item levels as the team feels that this is not the real issue.

While in some cases players may be wearing lower level equipment for spiritbonding purposes, we understand that there are cases where players are not spiritbonding and acting in ways only to cause trouble for others. We’d like players to report anyone who is behaving inappropriately within dungeons or in general.

Since the newest patch has all but required everyone to start SBing, can we please get some clarifications on what's allowed and what's considered just causing trouble for others? This is a pretty debatable topic with views ranging from a few pieces being ok to a full set of CP/GP gear being acceptable as long as the item level requirement is met. I know I've personally reported varying ranges of people SBing gear and have gotten different replies based on how much the person was wearing and what type it was. so some clarification about what's acceptable and what's reportable would be really nice because at this point based on my own thread about this subject I can easily foresee people walking in with full GP/CP or offclass gear because no one except a few members of the community such as myself have said it's wrong. So these potentially offending players have just told us to shove it because you SE haven't said anything about what's ok and what isn't . So hopefully before the servers come up please give us some clarification before people start running wild and potentially reporting each other for that which may or may not be against the rules

[Foo01]

...to start SBing, can we please get some clarifications on what's allowed and what's considered just causing trouble for others? This is a pretty debatable topic...

Does everyone need to extremely legalistic and every defined with bright red lines? How about try to be more flexible and adaptable and stop insisting that everyone speed run or using the speed run as the metric of a good run. A good run can have few wipes, and smooth run can have a few wipes. People playing together, having fun, and getting along should be more important than how many wipes or what you can clock in as your run time record. As long as trolls are not forcing people to wipe over and over, there does NOT need to be bright red line to define any of this. You debate all you like, but at the end of the day it is people being jerks that are the problem, and it usually is the elitist speed run forcing people to speed run that causes the problems. Take it easy, go slower, have fun.

[Yumi_umi]

As a healer i like high vit so i decide to stack it on the right.
All my left is 100 + 1 soon to be i100 belt. So it's pretty funny how my ilvl is considered i97 for whm.

They should seriously make 2 separate ilvls, 1 for your total class/job specific gear and 1 for your overall gear equips.

[omfgwtf]

the easiest way to fix this is to not allow job based equipment to be used by other jobs.. i.e. no healers with int/str/vit/crafting equip or if you do chose to keep it the way it is.. make those count AGAINST your ilv.. like a lv 45 crafting ring would lower your ilv by adding a -45 to equation ^^

[Billzey]

Is it not okay to kick people spiritbonding...? I'm not going to run a dungeon and do the work of 2 people just because some lazy-ass decides to SB in a dungeon.

[Geryth]

Camate didn't say it but they really can't touch this issue either. If they weighted each slot piece, then the day that patch gets implemented, people will get screwed over with item level requirements.

People who have once been eligible to do certain dungeons - who have already participated in and completed those dungeons - may suddenly be unable to do them.

Take me for example. I have my level 45/50 class set, and when I dinged 50 I had various low level rings/neck/wrist. The first items I spent my tomes of mythology on were those low level accessories that would offer the biggest jumps to my item level so I can qualify for dungeons. If this patch were implemented today, my item level is mostly boosted by these accessories so I would probably dip down to mid/high 50's. If not for my Gae Bolg which I just earned, I would not qualify for Hard Mode Titan, even though the fact I have Gae Bolg means I successfully defeated him already so it was doable with my "unacceptable" gear score under the new rules that wouldn't have allowed me to fight and kill him to get Gae Bolg. I went on a slight tangent there but my main point is that there will be many funky situations where people will get locked out of content based on their new item level scores that they were allowed to do previously. That's a real problem to your suggestion that doesn't have a good solution.

But that's just an addendum to what Camate said, which really is the solution to this "issue". If someone is abusing item levels to harass players in dungeons, which would be so incredibly rare, the current reporting mechanism works just fine in handling those cases.

[IzumiRaito]

Take me for example. I have my level 45/50 class set, and when I dinged 50 I had various low level rings/neck/wrist. The first items I spent my tomes of mythology on were those low level accessories that would offer the biggest jumps to my item level so I can qualify for dungeons. If this patch were implemented today, my item level is mostly boosted by these accessories so I would probably dip down to mid/high 50's.

That means u exploited the weakness of the system.

What the Dev team should try to look into is not an ilevel but rather an istat based on the job being used. Rather than saying oh it's ok if you are using i100 gear even with STR gear that does nothing for yout job it should be oh you need mnd 500 to be able to do this and to obtain mnd 500 you just need i70 full gear that provides mnd for that job.

That's where the problem lies because if a player enters an instance say a healer and they aren't using a full set of mnd gear but they are still seen as irequired then they are hurting the party because in reality they aren't properly geared for the event.

Secondary stats also provide valuable increase in ability to perform character role. Otherwise why would people bother to pentameld highest ilvl crafted gear? A weighted sum of primary AND secondary attributes is the way to calculate the REAL total "power level" of the character

[Gilraen]

Guess I 'exploited a weakness' when I got my Titan win for my Artemis in Toxotes gear. Wait, this was before they added iLevel to the game. All iLevel has added is a numeric value to what used to be, "Must have relic" party formation. And it's done so terribly with little regard to actual player capability. I remember videos of entire parties killing Titan in swimsuits, and heard stories of White Mages tanking Titan. Yes, I know Titan isn't the benchmark he used to be, but all of this was before iLevel and noone suffered for it like alot of people seem to think. I dare say if iLevel were gone tomorrow, very few would even notice and even fewer would care.

[IzumiRaito]

Guess I 'exploited a weakness' when I got my Titan win for my Artemis in Toxotes gear. Wait, this was before they added iLevel to the game. All iLevel has added is a numeric value to what used to be, "Must have relic" party formation. And it's done so terribly with little regard to actual player capability. I remember videos of entire parties killing Titan in swimsuits, and heard stories of White Mages tanking Titan. Yes, I know Titan isn't the benchmark he used to be, but all of this was before iLevel and noone suffered for it like alot of people seem to think. I dare say if iLevel were gone tomorrow, very few would even notice and even fewer would care.

As long as u dont die to avoidable mechanics, echo and other ppl gear can cover for the slightly less power level than u should have. Requiring ilvl 70 for titan hm was always a joke for me.

What I hate is people who spirit bond gathering and crafting gear in an instance. Lower level I understand and don't really care, as long as it's job appropriate.

I think you should NOT be able to zone into duty finder instances wearing crafting/gathering gear period. It is rude to the others there.

Calculating power level by primary and secondary stats would force players sb'ing crafting/gathering gear to cover the missing stats with even stonger other gear (because the sb gear would give them + zero power) , ensuring that they still meet the minimal power level requirement for instance.

[Tandy]

What I hate is people who spirit bond gathering and crafting gear in an instance. Lower level I understand and don't really care, as long as it's job appropriate.

I think you should NOT be able to zone into duty finder instances wearing crafting/gathering gear period. It is rude to the others there.