ilvl Requirement "The Broken System"

[Cherie]

I see people getting around the ilevel requirements for turn 1 a lot. There is one in almost every duty finder pug.

I'm not talking about people doing it to be malicious, they are just being lazy. I'm talking about people with full i90 right side for the wrong class and then maybe the quest af on the left side. Sometimes they didn't bother to get the chest piece and are wearing a pink drop of some kind... (so they don't have all their skills learned probably).

So what this would be is like a healer with all bard accessories for example. As mentioned by the OP, having half i90 gear of the wrong class would mean that you only need i50ish gear for the other half.

Honestly I don't really even care what other people do. I only start looking like if the healer can't keep the tank alive, then I notice they are in half bard gear and go: "Oh..." Besides annoying the group by setting the group up for failure, they are just making things harder on themselves.... "Group Jump Rope" can be more difficult if one jumper isn't going to be able to even jump.

[Darra]

I've been spiritbonding as a scholar for months in dungeons, crafting, gathering, DOW accessories, and I've never wiped a group. It wasn't until I first came across this thread a few days back that I got kicked for spiritbonding at the last boss in Brayflox, with no deaths or anything said. I find the attitudes of so many people in this game, and on this forum to be disgusting; rather than ask for the person not to spiritbond, or better yet, leave them to it and only comment if they're clearly causing problems, a lot of people seem to be in the mind to kick first and then whine on the forums, or just quit the group, then whine on the forums. Newsflash Brayflox et all have an ilvl requirement of 55, if someone in the group is ilvl 60 and not spiritbonding, will you kick them too?! If you want to run the whole dungeons in under 15 minutes, make a pre-made group, don't expect DF players to abide by "your" rules and don't expect them to be as "good" as you.

[Foo01]

...to start SBing, can we please get some clarifications on what's allowed and what's considered just causing trouble for others? This is a pretty debatable topic...

Does everyone need to extremely legalistic and every defined with bright red lines? How about try to be more flexible and adaptable and stop insisting that everyone speed run or using the speed run as the metric of a good run. A good run can have few wipes, and smooth run can have a few wipes. People playing together, having fun, and getting along should be more important than how many wipes or what you can clock in as your run time record. As long as trolls are not forcing people to wipe over and over, there does NOT need to be bright red line to define any of this. You debate all you like, but at the end of the day it is people being jerks that are the problem, and it usually is the elitist speed run forcing people to speed run that causes the problems. Take it easy, go slower, have fun.

[Yumi_umi]

You call em out only when they start causing noticeable problems.
You don't call em out just because u clicked examine.
Also in a 4 man party there are only 2 dps. Sooo imo a lot of ppl in this thread thinking the whole " now i have to do 2 ppl's job " ideal is a dps. So funny cuz unless if it's CM PM or some of the early coil turns, you must be crazy to SB in DF for EX primals or t5.