Solutions to stop speedrunning

[Fuyuu]

yup!

[Donjo]

Well a couple months is a couple months, but some of us are used to gear being good for years so you could take your time. And I think you forget Ilvls on relics are getting raised a lot faster than every 6 months, we went from zenith to atma to animus and now novus in a very short time, hence the creation of urgency so you don't fall behind.

And unless the Relics are going to go above 110 before 2.4, then the Novus is probably going to take a long time to get. A REALLY long time. If it follows the same trend as Zenith(matching the iLvl of coil gear at the time), then we wouldn't expect to see an upgrade past Novus until 2.4... unless there's a plan to bump them to i115. This would allow people to take their time getting the Novus weapon, which is good considering that many people don't have an Animus yet.

Our timeline

Release(2.0): Relic(i80) and Zenith(i90). Highest iLvl of other gear is 90.

Six months later(2.2): Atma and Animus(i100). Highest iLvl of other gear becomes 110.

2 months later(2.28): Novus(i110)

As you can see, Relic levels are rising slower than overall gear. It took 2 more months for relics to reach i110 than any other high tier gear in the game.

4 months later?(2.4): My prediction of when a post-Novus weapon will become available. Which, if trends continue, will be i120.

[SecsyMancat]

People finding efficient means to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

[Donjo]

People finding efficient means to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

The problem is not the fact that speedruns exist, but rather that they are being expected in the Duty Finder. The argument is that the Duty Finder is the one place where it shouldn't be expected. The Party Finder exists for "alternative" runs, and it's clearly an issue with the community when people go to the Duty Finder to avoid alternative runs and get pressured into doing so anyway. As the tank, I've personally been kicked from a Brayflox for not leading a speedrun during my Expert Roulette. Should I really be locked out of a piece of content just because I prefer to run it the "normal" way? Absolutely not.

[Hayward]

People stepping on others' toes and cutting corners to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

This seems a bit more accurate. The onus would be on you to form your kind of parties through Party Finder, not those who simply want to run through a random dungeon through Duty Roulette.

It would be well, however, that SE increases the number of Myth tomes to the same number previously assigned to Philosophy tomes (if not more). Again, Myth equipment is no longer top-level gear and the currency required should not be quite as tightly distributed.

[MicahZerrshia]

As the tank, I've personally been kicked from a Brayflox for not leading a speedrun during my Expert Roulette. Should I really be locked out of a piece of content just because I prefer to run it the "normal" way? Absolutely not.

If you are out voted 3-1, I don't see why you get so upset.

Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls when you are in a pt that can easily handle large pulls is just not efficient. So you don't wanna do speed runs that is your thing, fine. But its really kindda rude to expect 3 other ppl to bow down and do it your way just cause that's what YOU prefer. The road goes 2 ways Im afraid. Complain all you want but in situations where you are outnumbered by the entire pt and you don't want to cooperate makes you the same person you are complaining about lol

[Nicobo]

..Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls...

agree..., tbh it is really normal. I suggest it should be called as "normal-Speed run"... ^^;

[sheepysheepy]

The problem is not the fact that speedruns exist, but rather that they are being expected in the Duty Finder. The argument is that the Duty Finder is the one place where it shouldn't be expected. The Party Finder exists for "alternative" runs

df is clearly democratic and the only 'problem' is that some people are not accepting that,
speedruns are now normal, so as you just stated yourself, pf exists for people that want to do it 'alternatively'

in short, speedrun is normal, slow is alternative, thats just life

[Seryl199]

There is nothing that will stop people from speed running. If it's viable, people will attempt to complete it as fast as possible. I can see only two possible ways to combat this. One is forcing you to kill all mobs to proceed, like haukke hm. While this works, it would become tiresome to see after a while. Another thing is to make more complex or powerful trash mobs. The size of possible pulls is directly correlated to how much they tax the healer and the tank, and since all trash hits like wet noodles, it's easy to round up a bunch and aoe them down.

When compared to content that is speed runnable, this tougher content would need to offer comparable tomes and loot, else players will still choose to face roll content for small, quick, reliable sources of tomes. For that matter, I don't see why each tier of dungeons has to offer the same amount of tomes. It's obvious that some dungeons take longer than others, so why not design them with that in mind in the first place, and offer loot accordingly.

[Donjo]

If you are out voted 3-1, I don't see why you get so upset.

Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls when you are in a pt that can easily handle large pulls is just not efficient. So you don't wanna do speed runs that is your thing, fine. But its really kindda rude to expect 3 other ppl to bow down and do it your way just cause that's what YOU prefer. The road goes 2 ways Im afraid. Complain all you want but in situations where you are outnumbered by the entire pt and you don't want to cooperate makes you the same person you are complaining about lol

No, it does not make me the same person I'm complaining about. Kicking someone for a reason other than "Harassment, Offline, AFK, or Cheating" is an inappropriate use of the Vote Kick Feature and is thus against the terms of service. Entering the dungeon and saying "I'd prefer not to speedrun this. I apologize for the 5-7 extra minutes this run will take." is not, and kicking the person who says this is far and away the ruder action, especially since a normal run will be on the way to the 3rd boss by the time Vote Kicking is even enabled... and the total time for the run, factoring in the wait for another tank, is likely greater than the time that would have been spent just finishing the instance, even if one joins quickly.

I'm not being rude; I'm just performing my role as the Tank in the way I'm most comfortable doing it. I'm not trying to wipe the party. I'm not trying to go as slow as possible out of spite. 99% of the time, nobody complains about the way I tank. It's a toxic double standard for my methods to be "illegal" in one specific instance.