Solutions to stop speedrunning

[MicahZerrshia]

Well what they need to do is allow us to make tomes fast in a different way, I know for 1500 myth I don't want to take an hr on 1 dungeon when the only reward is 50. That's 30 hrs of dungeons for 1 atma book...no thanks. But I seldom do roulettes anymore, its just better setting up your own speed run pt.

And before anyone makes a "I want it now" comment, I don't mind taking time to make a weapon, but when dungeons are just that easy and the grind just that boring. At least in xi for relics and mythics all the content you had to do was fun and gave you a feel of progression and the weapons didn't get outdated every 3 months. These dungeons are a snoozefest, esp at only 3 mobs a pull. Ilvl creates urgency, esp when it goes outdated every 90 days.

Plus why only fight 3 mobs when you can easily handle 12? That just seems inefficient to me.

[Donjo]

And before anyone makes a "I want it now" comment, I don't mind taking time to make a weapon, but when dungeons are just that easy and the grind just that boring. At least in xi for relics and mythics all the content you had to do was fun and gave you a feel of progression and the weapons didn't get outdated every 3 months. These dungeons are a snoozefest, esp at only 3 mobs a pull. Ilvl creates urgency, esp when it goes outdated every 90 days.

Your timeframe is wrong. Exactly half wrong. The iLvl ceiling raised after 2 major patches. After 6 months, or 180 days. The ceiling is due to raise again the next time Coil is updated in Patch 2.4. This is currently about 4 months away. Things are not as urgent as you claim...

[MicahZerrshia]

Well a couple months is a couple months, but some of us are used to gear being good for years so you could take your time. And I think you forget Ilvls on relics are getting raised a lot faster than every 6 months, we went from zenith to atma to animus and now novus in a very short time, hence the creation of urgency so you don't fall behind.

[Donjo]

Well a couple months is a couple months, but some of us are used to gear being good for years so you could take your time. And I think you forget Ilvls on relics are getting raised a lot faster than every 6 months, we went from zenith to atma to animus and now novus in a very short time, hence the creation of urgency so you don't fall behind.

And unless the Relics are going to go above 110 before 2.4, then the Novus is probably going to take a long time to get. A REALLY long time. If it follows the same trend as Zenith(matching the iLvl of coil gear at the time), then we wouldn't expect to see an upgrade past Novus until 2.4... unless there's a plan to bump them to i115. This would allow people to take their time getting the Novus weapon, which is good considering that many people don't have an Animus yet.

Our timeline

Release(2.0): Relic(i80) and Zenith(i90). Highest iLvl of other gear is 90.

Six months later(2.2): Atma and Animus(i100). Highest iLvl of other gear becomes 110.

2 months later(2.28): Novus(i110)

As you can see, Relic levels are rising slower than overall gear. It took 2 more months for relics to reach i110 than any other high tier gear in the game.

4 months later?(2.4): My prediction of when a post-Novus weapon will become available. Which, if trends continue, will be i120.

[Fuyuu]

yup!

[SecsyMancat]

People finding efficient means to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

[Donjo]

People finding efficient means to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

The problem is not the fact that speedruns exist, but rather that they are being expected in the Duty Finder. The argument is that the Duty Finder is the one place where it shouldn't be expected. The Party Finder exists for "alternative" runs, and it's clearly an issue with the community when people go to the Duty Finder to avoid alternative runs and get pressured into doing so anyway. As the tank, I've personally been kicked from a Brayflox for not leading a speedrun during my Expert Roulette. Should I really be locked out of a piece of content just because I prefer to run it the "normal" way? Absolutely not.

[MicahZerrshia]

As the tank, I've personally been kicked from a Brayflox for not leading a speedrun during my Expert Roulette. Should I really be locked out of a piece of content just because I prefer to run it the "normal" way? Absolutely not.

If you are out voted 3-1, I don't see why you get so upset.

Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls when you are in a pt that can easily handle large pulls is just not efficient. So you don't wanna do speed runs that is your thing, fine. But its really kindda rude to expect 3 other ppl to bow down and do it your way just cause that's what YOU prefer. The road goes 2 ways Im afraid. Complain all you want but in situations where you are outnumbered by the entire pt and you don't want to cooperate makes you the same person you are complaining about lol

[Nicobo]

..Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls...

agree..., tbh it is really normal. I suggest it should be called as "normal-Speed run"... ^^;

[Donjo]

If you are out voted 3-1, I don't see why you get so upset.

Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls when you are in a pt that can easily handle large pulls is just not efficient. So you don't wanna do speed runs that is your thing, fine. But its really kindda rude to expect 3 other ppl to bow down and do it your way just cause that's what YOU prefer. The road goes 2 ways Im afraid. Complain all you want but in situations where you are outnumbered by the entire pt and you don't want to cooperate makes you the same person you are complaining about lol

No, it does not make me the same person I'm complaining about. Kicking someone for a reason other than "Harassment, Offline, AFK, or Cheating" is an inappropriate use of the Vote Kick Feature and is thus against the terms of service. Entering the dungeon and saying "I'd prefer not to speedrun this. I apologize for the 5-7 extra minutes this run will take." is not, and kicking the person who says this is far and away the ruder action, especially since a normal run will be on the way to the 3rd boss by the time Vote Kicking is even enabled... and the total time for the run, factoring in the wait for another tank, is likely greater than the time that would have been spent just finishing the instance, even if one joins quickly.

I'm not being rude; I'm just performing my role as the Tank in the way I'm most comfortable doing it. I'm not trying to wipe the party. I'm not trying to go as slow as possible out of spite. 99% of the time, nobody complains about the way I tank. It's a toxic double standard for my methods to be "illegal" in one specific instance.