Solutions to stop speedrunning

[SecsyMancat]

People finding efficient means to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

[Donjo]

People finding efficient means to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

The problem is not the fact that speedruns exist, but rather that they are being expected in the Duty Finder. The argument is that the Duty Finder is the one place where it shouldn't be expected. The Party Finder exists for "alternative" runs, and it's clearly an issue with the community when people go to the Duty Finder to avoid alternative runs and get pressured into doing so anyway. As the tank, I've personally been kicked from a Brayflox for not leading a speedrun during my Expert Roulette. Should I really be locked out of a piece of content just because I prefer to run it the "normal" way? Absolutely not.

[MicahZerrshia]

As the tank, I've personally been kicked from a Brayflox for not leading a speedrun during my Expert Roulette. Should I really be locked out of a piece of content just because I prefer to run it the "normal" way? Absolutely not.

If you are out voted 3-1, I don't see why you get so upset.

Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls when you are in a pt that can easily handle large pulls is just not efficient. So you don't wanna do speed runs that is your thing, fine. But its really kindda rude to expect 3 other ppl to bow down and do it your way just cause that's what YOU prefer. The road goes 2 ways Im afraid. Complain all you want but in situations where you are outnumbered by the entire pt and you don't want to cooperate makes you the same person you are complaining about lol

[Nicobo]

..Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls...

agree..., tbh it is really normal. I suggest it should be called as "normal-Speed run"... ^^;

[Donjo]

If you are out voted 3-1, I don't see why you get so upset.

Speedrunning dungeons like Bray is really the normal way these days, 3 mob pulls when you are in a pt that can easily handle large pulls is just not efficient. So you don't wanna do speed runs that is your thing, fine. But its really kindda rude to expect 3 other ppl to bow down and do it your way just cause that's what YOU prefer. The road goes 2 ways Im afraid. Complain all you want but in situations where you are outnumbered by the entire pt and you don't want to cooperate makes you the same person you are complaining about lol

No, it does not make me the same person I'm complaining about. Kicking someone for a reason other than "Harassment, Offline, AFK, or Cheating" is an inappropriate use of the Vote Kick Feature and is thus against the terms of service. Entering the dungeon and saying "I'd prefer not to speedrun this. I apologize for the 5-7 extra minutes this run will take." is not, and kicking the person who says this is far and away the ruder action, especially since a normal run will be on the way to the 3rd boss by the time Vote Kicking is even enabled... and the total time for the run, factoring in the wait for another tank, is likely greater than the time that would have been spent just finishing the instance, even if one joins quickly.

I'm not being rude; I'm just performing my role as the Tank in the way I'm most comfortable doing it. I'm not trying to wipe the party. I'm not trying to go as slow as possible out of spite. 99% of the time, nobody complains about the way I tank. It's a toxic double standard for my methods to be "illegal" in one specific instance.

[Zophar]

You know, I'm fine with speed running. Do it all the time. I've tanked speed runs, I've DPS'd speed runs, I've healed speed runs. I'm very used to them. However, there is a very obnoxious trend I've been seeing more and more of lately, especially in main scenario roulette, and that is tanks rushing in and locking 1-3 folks out of every fight. I'm not talking they didn't want to wait for people watching CS's, but they didn't want to wait for people with load times slightly slower than theirs, ps3 players for example.

Now, I'm not a math professor, but I'm pretty sure waiting that extra 10 seconds is way faster than trying to do a boss fight with only 5-7 people, even if they're geared on the lower end of the spectrum, they should still cut more than 10 seconds off of a long boss fight like Nero or Ultima or w/e. I've actually started vote kicking and reporting people who do this and refuse to stop, and have been assured by a GM that this is a legitimate case of harassment.

[sheepysheepy]

The problem is not the fact that speedruns exist, but rather that they are being expected in the Duty Finder. The argument is that the Duty Finder is the one place where it shouldn't be expected. The Party Finder exists for "alternative" runs

df is clearly democratic and the only 'problem' is that some people are not accepting that,
speedruns are now normal, so as you just stated yourself, pf exists for people that want to do it 'alternatively'

in short, speedrun is normal, slow is alternative, thats just life

[Hayward]

People stepping on others' toes and cutting corners to do menial repetitive content faster so they can get on to doing more interesting/challenging things does not sound to me like a problem. There are more ways to form groups than DF, want to go slow, make friends or advertise a PF. If you can't find others that want to do things that way then people simply don't want to do things that way. So be it.

This seems a bit more accurate. The onus would be on you to form your kind of parties through Party Finder, not those who simply want to run through a random dungeon through Duty Roulette.

It would be well, however, that SE increases the number of Myth tomes to the same number previously assigned to Philosophy tomes (if not more). Again, Myth equipment is no longer top-level gear and the currency required should not be quite as tightly distributed.