Acceptable Cash Shop Items: Suggestions!

[Rose_Vilehart]

"Would you prefer actual collage level course learning in video game design and market. You know I am trying to to boast that around, but if you want to put my credability into judgement, toll, you might want to go else where. I have had talks with my proffessors who recently worked at EA and Bethesda Games. So STFU"
as someone who also takes a college course in game design...........have you actually got a job designing games yet? or finished your course? unless you have please stop pretending you are "teh master of game design knowledge!"

[ShinkuTachi]

Would you prefer actual collage level course learning in video game design and market.

[Rose_Vilehart]

oh god as much as i love this gif i know what anime it is from and lets just say that what has been seen cannot be unseen

[JatohCynn]

I still continue to want to see more replies to OP, but doubt that will happen at this point. It is an honest question and I still agree that cash shops can be done in a way that does not negatively impact the community on a notable scale; has it been done so before? Yes, but not by many.

As others have stated, it's possible but highly unlikely and once a game starts down the road it rarely decides to turn around. There's only one Hilmar Veigar Pétursson, and he already works for CCP.

In which a AAA CEO apologizes for putting a cash shop into a p2p MMO
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2672

[Skull_Angel]

The OP wasn't looking for constructive discussion, he created this thread with the sole intention of it being a flamebait.

Ahaha, I didn't realize who OP was when I started posting, that's what I get for looking at the forums when I wake up.

It still would have been nice to hear more constructive thought on the matter.

As others have stated, it's possible but highly unlikely and once a game starts down the road it rarely decides to turn around. There's only one Hilmar Veigar Pétursson, and he already works for CCP.

In which a AAA CEO apologizes for putting a cash shop into a p2p MMO
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2672

Yes, I know, understand and have posted such. What I don't quite understand is all who oppose the thought and immediately attack others with nonsense, as if they know the details and outcome. I've questioned them again and again to be met with the same replies; either I'm insane for continually missing some key well known information or...

[Ikeda]

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What you're suggesting isn't even acceptable according to history. The cash shop TERA Online had before going F2P was nothing but vanity. Little useless skins for weapons that honestly weren't appealing in the least. They looked worse than what you could earn in the actual game. Yet the very idea of a double dipping cash shop drove people away no matter how little it affected them because of the principle behind it that it lowers the value of their subscription and makes the customer feel like they're being ripped off. So once again for the last freaking time THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ACCEPTABLE CASH SHOP ITEMS FOR A P2P GAME. While fools like you have been beaten over the head by so many companies trying to screw you for every dime in your wallet that you're getting the delusion that it's acceptable to spread your cheeks before a company has even decided to screw you there's many others out there that believe that a cash shop in a P2P game, no matter how little affect it has on them, will devalue their subscription and generally makes them feel ripped off to the point that they simply quit the game. History has proven time and time again that the number of the players that think like this is large enough to kill off entire games when they leave. I swear the stupidity in this thread is going to give me a aneurism.

[Luxx]

I swear the stupidity in this thread is going to give me a aneurism.

If you do so happen to gain an Aneurism.

Mayth haveth thou stuffth? O:
Specifically your Atma Omnilex. -cough;

[Rose_Vilehart]

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just leave and go back to having fun in game, this thread really isnt worth your time......

[JatohCynn]

What I don't quite understand is all who oppose the thought and immediately attack others with nonsense, as if they know the details and outcome. I've questioned them again and again to be met with the same replies; either I'm insane for continually missing some key well known information or...

Because we've seen what happens when games do this. Either games put them in as a last ditch effort to stay afloat after going f2p and never manage to come back to what they were (SWToR Terra ect.), or they launch with one and relegate the majority of their in game additions to the cash shop and lock content behind RNG lottery boxes (GW2).

In short, people think it will ruin the game or betray it's spirit. You can't really expect to suggest such a change and not have people get upset by the idea.
I've watched worse vitriol come out of the GW2 forums over people just suggesting mounts in a game without any because it will "make it like WoW"

[Skull_Angel]

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From my understanding the developers of TERA thought they could increase their player base and bring in more money by going F2P and expanding their cash shop. They did such because they saw a trend in current P2P MMOs only holding on to a dedicated/hardcore player base after the initial "hype" phase after release. Whether it worked or not to bring in a larger player base, it ended up losing a lot of it's hardcore/dedicated players. The failure didn't come from having the cash shop, it came from expanding it and going F2P, at least that's what I understand from articles and testimonies.

I haven't really suggested anything myself, I've even stated that it's my opinion that the inclusion of P2W elements is unacceptable. I have been questioning why offering additional aesthetic options via cash shop would be such a horrible thing though, and have only gotten one real good answer.

Companies look to make money, that's what they do. They look to find ways to make more money constantly and weigh the positives and negatives of doing certain things; cash shops done in a certain way are able to create a lot of revenue at minimal cost [when done in a way that's acceptable to most of the community].

In short, people think it will ruin the game or betray it's spirit.

This is more of what I've been seeking, and it reflects what I've observed so far in this thread. So, because people believe it will ruin the game it should not be attempted in the first place, no?