Acceptable Cash Shop Items: Suggestions!

[Niwashi]

It's because we're already getting vanity items with every freaking update FOR FREE. There is absolutely zero need for vanity items to be added to a cash shop when we're already getting them for free.

Though I agree with what you mean, I have a quibble about your word choice in describing it. I'd change "we're already getting them for free" to "we're already getting them in exchange for the subscription money we're paying".

Suddenly adding a cash shop isn't going to give us more vanity items than we're already getting. All they'll do is make the same vanity items they were already planning giving us for free and instead of giving it as in-game content for free they'll slap a price tag on it. That's how this crap works.

When LOTRO went F2P (and ever since then), we heard this a lot. People keep trying to defend the cash shop based on the fact that we can get a lot of things there that we didn't have before. They ignore the fact that before the cash shop was added, features were being added on a regular basis and everyone had access to them. After the cash shop was added, every new feature and nearly every new item has a separate price tag attached, even for those still paying a subscription. We stopped getting anything new added to the base game itself.

[Logo]

Any item that is pure vanity and gives you no edge in the game whatsoever is acceptable in any game. Can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

So, pretty outfits that have no stats, mounts with no speed boosts, fantasias, name changes...hats... Stuff.

While this is true, I'd rather see content that was fun to do to obtain these items,
i.e. notorious monsters dropping unique glamors

[Ikeda]

Really? We have like.. Dress, Sailor, Taffeta and Lightsteel so far.

If I was a game designer, I'd sure as heck be motivated do design faster if it meant real money.

Everything from CT, upcoming gear from new CT, darklight has essentially been downgraded to vanity, the new i90 crafted gear, odin and behemoth gear, artisan spectacles, paragon gown and the crowns you get from achievements, all seasonal event gear, lightning event gear, the gear that drops from the new hard mode dungeons, and all PvP gear. With the addition of glamour, every outfit in the game can technically be considered vanity. Also they're already motivated enough to design vanity gear because they do it to retain subscriptions. I honestly don't know why I'm even having to convince you of something this obvious. The fact of the matter is adding a cash shop to a P2P mmo is considered a horrible business practice called double dipping the consumer. Every single mmo other than WoW that has attempted that practice has lost so many subscriptions they've been forced to either dumb down to F2P or shut down entirely. WoW has only survived doing it due to the sheer amount of subscribers it has. FFXIV with its miniscule 500k-1 mill+ subscribers does not stand a chance of surviving the massive loss of subscriptions a double dipping cash shop would cause. You and every other cash shop enthusiast here are essentially begging SE to kill off their own game. Either that or you secretly want the game to go F2P so you don't have to pay a subscription anymore.

Though I agree with what you mean, I have a quibble about your word choice in describing it. I'd change "we're already getting them for free" to "we're already getting them in exchange for the subscription money we're paying".

Oh come on you know what I mean >.>

[Lunavi]

This hurts my brain.

It is P2W though. If you can pay to increase your stats it is clearly P2W, moreso than buying retainers which alot of people complain about.

[Lunavi]

If you think $10 for every class change is worth the +/- 5 points in any given stat that various subraces give....

On topic, there is nothing acceptable. SE has already caved to the demands of fools eager to part with their money. Stop clamoring to spend more money than your subscription. If you want something, ask to have it implemented without begging to pay extra money for it.

Here it is not about whenever or not it is worth the money, here it is about that it is a clear p2w system.

[Luxx]

It is P2W though. If you can pay to increase your stats it is clearly P2W, moreso than buying retainers which alot of people complain about.

I am pretty sure no one cares about the little 1% stats you get from changing a character lol. The racial stats make very small difference.
If I had to pick, I feel like more retainers are P2W but that's not saying much. Pay to Win more Gil if you're selling a lot of things I guess, we don't even have any real good Gil sinks
to use lol and with the ones we do have. [FC and Glamour.] You're not beating someone over anything.
FC just for fun.
Glamour also for fun and to look pretty. Nothing else.

[Kat_Manx]

Here it is not about whenever or not it is worth the money, here it is about that it is a clear p2w system.

Bah, it's SO not pay to win. I paid no attention to character creation whatsoever even though I knew I'd play Bard as my main job since day one, all I cared about is what I look like. If someone was a min/maxer they would have created their character the proper race to begin with. What exactly are you going to win with 4 more stats anyway?

Anyhoozle if SE was smart they would remove character stat differences tho, so people can't be whiny about it.

[JTribal]

Hmmmm, thought I would do everyone a favor and direct those off topic to the correct thread -

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-is-Pay-2-WIN

XD

[Felis]

I don't quite understand why people are against vanity items being in a cash shop though; you don't need them, they don't give any advantage, don't buy them if you don't care for them. No one has brought up a good argument against vanity items being in a cash shop either and the best argument I've heard is "they're annoying".

because vanity items already come from ingame recipes, achievement rewards, event rewads and dungeon drop. No need to create a cash shop for it

[Zumi]

It feels like double dipping when they charge a sub fee then release a bunch of mounts/pets/vanity items on the shop. Activision/Blizzard is notoriously bad for doing this, they save all the best looking most animated mounts and pets for the cash shop even though they have a $15 a month sub fee. They tested the waters with celestial steed people called them sparkle ponies and made 80m dollars in 1 day selling them for $25 a pop. Then it continued with many more mounts and pets every few months.

Honestly I hope SE doesn't start doing this because I really shouldn't have to pay more money to have access to everything in the game.