Acceptable Cash Shop Items: Suggestions!

[Amberion]

Min/Maxers don't care if the boost is small or large...it's a boost so it's "needed"

Not always. Never saw them complain to SE that their tarutaru had less HP then galka in FFXI. And that was a big deal if you where a tank.

And there you couldn't change race, so you had to create a new character if you wanted the "best" stats for your job.

I don't think it's really the min/maxers as such, but more the new generations of gamers thing.

[Pandastirfry]

Not always. Never saw them complain to SE that their tarutaru had less HP then galka in FFXI. And that was a big deal if you where a tank.

And there you couldn't change race, so you had to create a new character if you wanted the "best" stats for your job.

I don't think it's really the min/maxers as such, but more the new generations of gamers thing.

I remember being booted from parties as a Mithra Bard (actually got tells saying I was a "noob" for picking Mithra and wanting to play bard, many times from just random people while seeking party in Jeuno, and this was before, during and after the so called "Golden Age" of CoP) because our base CHR was the lowest in the game, and our MP was nothing to write home about either.

[IzumiRaito]

Anything else than server change, name change, phantasia should be forbidden in a sub game! Even the paid retainers are a faux pas.

[Ikeda]

There is no such thing as acceptable cash shop items in a P2P game. You have also deluded yourself into thinking they need to "up their income". They could lower the game's monthly fee to $5-7 and still be making a profit as it is. So please quit trying to "help" them when they need no help. Adding a cash shop on top of a monthly fee would accomplish NOTHING other than cause the game to have to dumb down to F2P within 6 months to a year of them adding it. The only mmo that's ever survived double dipping its customers is WoW and that's only because of the sheer amount of subscribers it has. FFXIV with its 500k-1 million subscribers would not survive the massive exodus a double dipping cash shop would inevitably cause. Doesn't matter whether it's vanity crap or P2W. Also FFS why are you even asking for a vanity cash shop? They're adding plenty of vanity items for FREE with every freaking update to the game. You're not going to magically get more vanity items all of a sudden by adding a cash shop. All you'd get is less free vanity items and then they'd suddenly start charging for vanity items they were already planning to give us for free.

Blizzard seems to do just fine with one.

Blizzard also has about 8 million+ subscribers and have already paid off all development costs of their game. While FFXIV has about 500k-1 mill+ subscribers (registered users don't = current subscribers. it's PR speak) FFXIV wouldn't stand a chance to survive the loss of players a double dipping cash shop would cause. You also need to notice how WoW is the only P2P mmo that's survived with a cash shop while every single other mmo that's attempted to have one has either shut down or gone F2P due to the loss of subscriptions it causes.

[Amberion]

I remember being booted from parties as a Mithra Bard (actually got tells saying I was a "noob" for picking Mithra and wanting to play bard and this was before, during and after the so called "Golden Age" of CoP) because our base CHR was the lowest in the game, and our MP was noting to write home about either.

I never had that problem, and I leveled up BLM as an Elvaan. Might have been a server thing? Or someone that read that Brady guide, WAR/WHM ftw.

No idea why anyone would kick a BRD unless they where crappy at their job, or under-geared.

[Edeline]

It would be okay to have services like fantasia, name change and server transfer. Glamour items on shop would just make everything worse, even if it's not P2W. People expect to get everything the game offers you, with your hard effort of farming, when you're paying for a subscription, and I agree.

[Pandastirfry]

I never had that problem, and I leveled up BLM as an Elvaan. Might have been a server thing? Or someone that read that Brady guide, WAR/WHM ftw.

No idea why anyone would kick a BRD unless they where crappy at their job, or under-geared.

I was on several servers. Got booted several times as aTaru tank cause my HP was "to low" even though at the level range I was in I had good gear, Got booted as a BRD several time because of base CHR (One party said I was unable to land Lullaby, even though I had everytime I cast it) and MP (the MP time was because I was quite literally 1 MP shy of Raise 2 and the only item that would have fixed that was 10mil gil, it would have literally given me that 1 MP nothing more nothing less) Was in a party that booted a BiS Galka WHM because their buddy who was lesser geared came on but was a Taru Whm and that was the reason they gave the party "But guys, He's a TARU, they have more MP!". And again I state, all of this happened on different servers. FFXI (especially with gear swapping) was tailor made for Min/Maxers

[LineageRazor]

Not always. Never saw them complain to SE that their tarutaru had less HP then galka in FFXI. And that was a big deal if you where a tank.

Oh, it happened, all right. Not this specific case (I'd say Tarutaru players took some kind of perverse pride in their low HP, actually) but Galka MP? THAT was an issue that had people howling. Especially at low levels; parties desperate for a WHM in Valkurm Dunes woudl actually turn away a Galka WHM - and with pretty good reason since they could only cast Cure II twice before running out of mp. Even at high levels, though, Galka players on mage jobs got a lot of flak.

SE recently addressed the issue by rebalancing HP and MP, increasing all races' MP (except Tarutaru) and increasing all races' HP (except Galka). Boooooring!

[Kaze3434]

i only have one question. where is this cash shop idea even coming from? the fact that you can pay for retainers? or Fanatasia? seems pretty far fetched to jump up and down screaming "cash shop!" the retainers rides close, but the fact tahat you have to lvl them up and gear them out makes anything "broken" nonexistent. you pretty much just end up with more space.

[Amberion]

Oh, it happened, all right. Not this specific case (I'd say Tarutaru players took some kind of perverse pride in their low HP, actually) but Galka MP? THAT was an issue that had people howling. Especially at low levels; parties desperate for a WHM in Valkurm Dunes woudl actually turn away a Galka WHM - and with pretty good reason since they could only cast Cure II twice before running out of mp. Even at high levels, though, Galka players on mage jobs got a lot of flak.

SE recently addressed the issue by rebalancing HP and MP, increasing all races' MP (except Tarutaru) and increasing all races' HP (except Galka). Boooooring!

I know that they where fairly gimp in early levels, as was my elvaan. But once you got to the jungle, it really sort of started evened out. RSE might have been ugly enough so you wanted a paperbag on your head so no one knew who you where, but they did give a crap load of MP to elvaan/galka.

And at end game, HP where more important then MP. And even then people took tarutaru with them... Probably because it looked fun to have big mobs hitting something that small.