Acceptable Cash Shop Items: Suggestions!

[NaliaBrown]

I don't quite understand why people are against vanity items being in a cash shop though; you don't need them, they don't give any advantage, don't buy them if you don't care for them. No one has brought up a good argument against vanity items being in a cash shop either and the best argument I've heard is "they're annoying".

Right now, the main market that crafters have is people who are looking for cool vanity items. If these vanity items are offered in a cash shop, then that reduces incentive to craft, destroys the in-game market for crafted goods (no demand), and generally reduces the usefulness of crafting in general. Except for food. Those Culinarians are always in need.

[Bloodclaw]

Right now, the main market that crafters have is people who are looking for cool vanity items. If these vanity items are offered in a cash shop, then that reduces incentive to craft, destroys the in-game market for crafted goods (no demand), and generally reduces the usefulness of crafting in general. Except for food. Those Culinarians are always in need.

Yep. I had the same thought.

[Gramul]

I don't quite understand why people are against vanity items being in a cash shop though; you don't need them, they don't give any advantage, don't buy them if you don't care for them. No one has brought up a good argument against vanity items being in a cash shop either and the best argument I've heard is "they're annoying".

Think about it like this: We pay a monthly fee to play this game, all features involved. Adding a vanity shop divorces some of the content that could be in game so people might shell out more for it.
You're effectively paying more for content that should be obtainable in the game you're already paying for.

Yeah, I know they are coming. I'm just disappointed with them about it. Before they add those items, those are the only 2 things that are permanent. And to me, an MMORPG really needs some permanent choices. It brings one closer to their character.

And while that's fine for you, many people would appreciate not being stuck to one form. Allowing them to change shouldn't hurt how you appreciate the game on your own. I don't believe in permanent choices for a character you're presumably going to be using for years, but I do encourage moderately long lasting punishment for breaking major in game decisions. Also, it would be good for personal 'emergencies', like if later on you realize you made a mistake in designing your avatar, have a typo in your name or realize it turns out to be an innuendo and you start attracting a certain crowd that teach you something about yourself you weren't entirely aware of, and you end up taking a year off of school to deal with the drastic esoteric questions surrounding your secret major life change.
Now, I personally would never change my character as he's basically become iconic for better or worse.

[Felis]

I don't quite understand why people are against vanity items being in a cash shop though; you don't need them, they don't give any advantage, don't buy them if you don't care for them. No one has brought up a good argument against vanity items being in a cash shop either and the best argument I've heard is "they're annoying".

because vanity items already come from ingame recipes, achievement rewards, event rewads and dungeon drop. No need to create a cash shop for it

[Pandastirfry]

*Race abilities switch: Allow you to replace with the appearance of one race but the statistics of another. Basically glamour for race selection. Yes this is a minor benefit, but hey, some like myself would buy it. Noticed a few days ago, an Roegadyn the other day had a lower item level gear, but had more HP than my Miqo'te by a few hundred HP even. Not much, but it was disturbing they were lower iLvl than I at the same time.

Wait wait wait....Aren't you the guy who's been going on a tear lately about how 2 extra retainers are gaming breaking "P2W" garbage?

However, Stat Swapping is okay to you? How is that anything BUT "Pay to Win". It would become expected of everyone that if you want to main tank, better toss them dolla' dolla' bills down or no party for you... Want to main BLM, better swap your stats or be considered gimp...

[Bloodclaw]

Wait wait wait....Aren't you the guy who's been going on a tear lately about how 2 extra retainers are gaming breaking "P2W" garbage?

However, Stat Swapping is okay to you? How is that anything BUT "Pay to Win". It would become expected of everyone that if you want to main tank, better toss them dolla' dolla' bills down or no party for you... Want to main BLM, better swap your stats or be considered gimp...

Your actually getting the game mechanics of another race, not more than what you had. So another player could have that same exact character stats with out paying more, but look different. There is nothing but aesthetics change and thus does not effect the gameplay. I do believe fantasia and this option probably needs to be limited to once ever month to keep it from getting silly personally.

Your comment seems more just trolling or you just don't get the concept of my complaint. Sorry to hear that.

[Pandastirfry]

Your actually getting the game mechanics of another race, not more than what you had. So another player could have that same exact character stats with out paying more, but look different. There is nothing but aesthetics change and thus does not effect the gameplay. I do believe fantasia and this option probably needs to be limited to once ever month to keep it from getting silly personally.

Your comment seems more just trolling or you just don't get the concept of my complaint. Sorry to hear that.

you just said a Roe tank had more HP at a lower iLvl, so you'd get that additional HP, you'd get everything their base stats offer, not just the "mechanics" it wouldn't be just aesthetic you'd be playing a Roe, Stats and all, that just happened to look like a Mi'qote. so any Mi'qote tank that was still "just" a Mi'qote would be considered "gimp" as their HP would be lower than yours.

[Bloodclaw]

you just said a Roe tank had more HP at a lower iLvl, so you'd get that additional HP, you'd get everything their base stats offer, not just the "mechanics" it wouldn't be just aesthetic you'd be playing a Roe, Stats and all, that just happened to look like a Mi'qote. so any Mi'qote tank that was still "just" a Mi'qote would be considered "gimp" as their HP would be lower than yours.

I see a possible problem with my suggestion breeding distain for normal Mi'qotes trying to tank (and similar situations). That is a good point. The question is if it would be any more or less than what we already have; I have noticed zero problems as is, I just don't feel optimal at my role. Personally, if I had it my way. Base stats would be separate from appearances in character creation for free. You do make a point though.

[Pandastirfry]

I see a possible problem with my suggestion breeding distain for normal Mi'qotes trying to tank (and similar situations). That is a good point. The question is if it would be any more or less than what we already have; have noticed zero. Personally, if I had it my way. Base stats would be separate from appearances in character creation for free. You do make a point though.

It isn't possible, it would. We already have people demanding iLvl 100+ for content that doesn't require it. you really think people wouldn't demand that almost negligible stat boost as well?

Min/Maxers don't care if the boost is small or large...it's a boost so it's "needed"

Basically right now the stats between races/clans are rather negligible and can be largely disregarded. but once you make them something everyone can have they'll no longer bee seen as such, it will become "Well, you can have it, so you really should get it, I mean it's only $X. Why do you want to be gimp?"

Where as your particular bugbear of Retainers offer no real tangible in game "bonuses" beyond a CHANCE to gear alt classes (I seem to get nothing but fish from my 2 retainers so paying for more fish seems silly) and a little more flexibility in inventory (if you feel you have to hoard every crafting mat, and don't manage your inventory effectively). So if you don't feel you need or want them (like me), you can give them a pass. (and only be reminded they're a "Thing" when people complain about them)

Long story short: Paying money to boost your stats (no matter how small) is the Archetypical Example of a Pay to Win sencenario.

[Nutz]

I don't think they need to add much of anything else to the cash shop. I'm fine with fantasia since as far as I understand they'll be releasing new races and I'm sure some people would like to change to the new one without making a new character. Name change is fine for similar reasons, and server transfers I always felt were a bit pricey for what they are, but whatever. Retainers are already a little much, but at least there's some correlation between the size of your character file on their server and the additional retainer(s), even if they are wildly overvaluing that 1 MB or so.