Acceptable Cash Shop Items: Suggestions!

[L-D-Omlette]

I remember being booted from parties as a Mithra Bard (actually got tells saying I was a "noob" for picking Mithra and wanting to play bard, many times from just random people while seeking party in Jeuno, and this was before, during and after the so called "Golden Age" of CoP) because our base CHR was the lowest in the game, and our MP was nothing to write home about either.

Had the same issue as an Elvaan THF.

[Luxx]

The moment this game starts selling the vanity stuff, barding, minions or more.
It's going to go downhill, fast. I ain't paying jack that I don't need to.

Any item that is pure vanity and gives you no edge in the game whatsoever is acceptable in any game. Can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

So, pretty outfits that have no stats, mounts with no speed boosts, fantasias, name changes...hats... Stuff.

Why would anyone want to pay for something when we're already getting it for free.
Stop giving them idea's people. >>

[Kat_Manx]

Any item that is pure vanity and gives you no edge in the game whatsoever is acceptable in any game. Can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

So, pretty outfits that have no stats, mounts with no speed boosts, fantasias, name changes...hats... Stuff.

[Niwashi]

When LOTRO went free to play I was really disappointing to see that vanity items earned by building many reputation points with different factions were now available to any with the cash at the click of a button. This completely trod on the efforts of those players who spent the time building the reputation points.

I wasn't nearly as upset at those items as I was by all the unique items that couldn't be obtained any other way besides buying them from the cash shop. At least we still had the option of earning these ones in-game by building up reputation. (The worst offense with LOTRO was taking festival horses that were previously earnable in-game and actually taking them out of the game to become Store exclusives.)

Furniture - since there are limited furniture slots per room, there's only going to be a set amount that needs to be loaded into system memory and rendered at once, so adding any number of additional furnishings should be no problem in terms of system resource management. I'd say that makes furniture a good candidate for cash shops, again assuming they are unique items to the cash shop. We don't want crafters efforts wasted by chucking their merchandise in the cash shop.

As you pointed out at the beginning of that paragraph, there are only a certain number of furniture slots available. So every furniture item bought from a cash shop is a furniture item that is not being crafted, regardless of whether it's the same type of item or a different one. Making the cash shop items unique would if anything just make it even worse for crafters than selling craftable items from the cash shop would. There is no way for a crafter to compete with something they're not allowed to make.

The same goes for cosmetics. If cosmetic outfits are sold in the shop, that removes the demand for getting good-looking crafted gear. And if the cash shop cosmetics are unique, then even a player who is 50 in all crafts and can make anything that can be made is still locked out of making their cosmetic gear.

[Niwashi]

Any item that is pure vanity and gives you no edge in the game whatsoever is acceptable in any game. Can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

All vanity items give you an edge in the game. They give you an edge on looking good, a trait that's at least as important as combat stats (and through most content more important).

And none of them belong in a cash shop if we're already paying a subscription. Cash shops are for F2P games, not subscription ones.

[Malamasala]

I think it is important to realize that meeting a goal = winning, and we all have different goals so it is impossible to say "Do this, and it will not be P2W". Maybe not for you, but it will be for someone else.

In my opinion cash shops should only allow you to trade real life money to catch up to friends who are playing. So among other things you should be able to buy are:

- Levels/Experience.
- Old Endgame gear. (If BiS is ilvl 110, then let people buy ilvl80-90 or so)

Notice that you still have to beat content to unlock new content. You just have it easier to beat them with higher level items.

I am aware stupid people would call this exact thing P2W because stupid people will say you can't do Garuda Hard mode without first buying a full ilvl90 set. But this is just the weird elitists who want to be carried instead of do things the difficult way.

[Ikeda]

Any item that is pure vanity and gives you no edge in the game whatsoever is acceptable in any game. Can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

So, pretty outfits that have no stats, mounts with no speed boosts, fantasias, name changes...hats... Stuff.

It's because we're already getting vanity items with every freaking update FOR FREE. There is absolutely zero need for vanity items to be added to a cash shop when we're already getting them for free. Suddenly adding a cash shop isn't going to give us more vanity items than we're already getting. All they'll do is make the same vanity items they were already planning on giving us for free and instead of giving it as in-game content for free they'll slap a price tag on it. That's how this crap works. You have been deluded into thinking otherwise by F2P mmos and WoW that is the only mmo that will ever survive double dipping its customers. You would have some sort of argument if we weren't already getting vanity items for free but since we are this entire thread is pointless.

[Kat_Manx]

It's because we're already getting vanity items with every freaking update FOR FREE. There is absolutely zero need for vanity items to be added to a cash shop when we're already getting them for free. Suddenly adding a cash shop isn't going to give us more vanity items than we're already getting. All they'll do is make the same vanity items they were already planning giving us for free and instead of giving it as in-game content for free they'll slap a price tag on it. That's how this crap works. You have been deluded into thinking otherwise by F2P mmos and WoW that is the only mmo that will ever survive double dipping its customers. You would have some sort of argument if we weren't already getting vanity items for free but since we are this entire thread is pointless.

Really? We have like.. Dress, Sailor, Taffeta and Lightsteel so far.

If I was a game designer, I'd sure as heck be motivated do design faster if it meant real money.

[Kat_Manx]

All vanity items give you an edge in the game. They give you an edge on looking good, a trait that's at least as important as combat stats (and through most content more important).

And none of them belong in a cash shop if we're already paying a subscription. Cash shops are for F2P games, not subscription ones.

Vanity edge. Can't say I have ever ran into that...

[Logo]

Idk, even Fantasia is really P2W... I see people buying 100's of them to be able to switch race when they switch class.

This hurts my brain.