In Game DPS Meter

[Pooky_Pasha]

How do you know you're doing everything right with no effective feedback?

I agree. Two people can say they have an optimal rotation, yet get two wildly different results. There is no way to know to compare them without feedback in the form of numbers. I run with a BRD who used way to many Straight Shots. I chatted with him one day, explained to him the situation and asked to focus on watching the Straight Shot buff and preferring Heavy Shot over Straight Shot. A week later, he improved by around 5dps. Another week, he was improved by around 10dps. Now I'm trying to get him comfortable with using Repelling Shot and Shadowbind (when appropriate) as soon as it's off cooldown.

Also, any kind of personal "dps meter" is useless unless it shows a damage spread and you know some kind of baseline to go by (ie how the damage spread should look, and what the expected average dps should be). You can't really get good measurements on those without input from others.

[Renyn]

DPS meters aren't needed but I do miss one in this game.
I'd like to see how well I'm doing in comparing to the others, what skill do they use etc., actually I learned A LOT in WoW thanks to Recount I could inspect people cycle and that made me want to try other classes by learning more about them this way.
Also, you can help people by telling them what they are doing wrong; it's a great way to learn.

And the final point is.. It makes the dungeon a bit less boring, I personally can't chain dungeons all day without something like that to watch to "entertain" me.

[kukurumei]

All this thread proves like every other thread is SE's current stance is right. Don't ask, don't tell.

Everything is provided on your own screen. The moment you push it out to the world, in a justified or unjustified attempt to push your weight around, it's harassment zone, just don't do it and everything is right in the world.

[Raenryong]

All this thread proves like every other thread is SE's current stance is right. Don't ask, don't tell.

Everything is provided on your own screen. The moment you push it out to the world, in a justified or unjustified attempt to push your weight around, it's harassment zone, just don't do it and everything is right in the world.

How does it? I haven't seen any argument beyond the fact that bad DPS may be held accountable for their performance just like bad healers/tanks, which is somehow a "toxic" thing constituting "harassment".

[kukurumei]

How does it? I haven't seen any argument beyond the fact that bad DPS may be held accountable for their performance just like bad healers/tanks, which is somehow a "toxic" thing constituting "harassment".

The shear fact of your quote is already enough proof by trying to segregate anyone and everyone into "accountability" "bad" and generally finger pointing drama.

It's already toxic that you are trying to justify it. Walk away is something people can't seem to do for some reason in environment where you know less then .5% of the population, yet want to assert your views on that 99.5%

Or as they call it, harassment.

[Raenryong]

People are already separated. You are just suggesting that it is wrong to do so, somehow.

[Gormogon]

The shear fact of your quote is already enough proof by trying to segregate anyone and everyone into "accountability" "bad" and generally finger pointing drama.

It's already toxic that you are trying to justify it. Walk away is something people can't seem to do for some reason in environment where you know less then .5% of the population, yet want to assert your views on that 99.5%

Or as they call it, harassment.

It's the sad truth. A lot of the people, in regards to DPS meter discussions, I end up putting on ignore due to the sheer attitude issue. There's no debate, discussion, argument, or brainstorming ways so that they can improve themselves and that same method can be applied to others so they can improve as well. It all boils down to wanting DPS meters for the simple fact of knowing who to point the finger to as well as gloating. The amount of hostility met because you don't agree 100% with them, despite bringing forth alternatives that don't single out players is pretty hilarious to me. I question some of the "I want to be better" statements since they bring up others in the process.

Every argument about why it tends to be beneficial revolves around someone doing bad dps and that thanks to parsers, which is typical, they would single someone out.

[Awrini]

I'm starting to wonder if the only reason you go on and on about harassing others with parser/meter information is because that is the way that you would use them. That doesn't make parsers bad, just you.

[Raenryong]

Every argument about why it tends to be beneficial revolves around someone doing bad dps and that thanks to parsers, which is typical, they would single someone out.

That is because this is a common scenario which parsers rectify. Bad players deserve to be singled out and removed from party finder groups which specify a minimum level of performance, whether they are healers, tanks, or dps.

[Awrini]

In party finder groups sure. But Duty Finder people are free to be as bad as they want.