In Game DPS Meter

[Tiggy]

I was reading through the thread with all the Live letters and I ran into this question.

Q34: Please implement a DPS tool and a feature that shows a monster’s HP %.

A34: An HP % display shouldn’t be too hard so we’ll look into it when I get back.

In regards to a DPS tool, we don’t have any plans to implement something you can use during battle. If we were to implement something like this, it would be a necessity for content and we feel it would cause conditions where lines are drawn by players saying a certain amount of DPS output is bad.

However, I understand the requests to be able to know how much DPS you are doing. While it is a bit off in the future, we are thinking to make it so you can understand how much DPS you are doing by having content for beginners where you have to reach a certain amount of DPS within two minutes to clear it.

First off I'm very glad they are considering putting enemy % on screen. So many mobs have phases that change at a specific % that it will be a great tool for us.

However, the DPS portion is something I wish we could do something about. So I propose this middle ground.

Soon we are going to be getting a test dummy that we can put in player housing. I suggest that we add a feature to that dummy. (maybe even all dummys) Simply put I would goto a dummy and start attacking it. After a few seconds the current DPS will float up just like other attack numbers. This would continue every couple of seconds until I finish attacking it. This would give players a legitimate way to test their DPS on a dummy for self improvement purposes AND it would keep this feature out of battles where it can be abused.

Is this a bad compromise?

*edit*
- Make the DPS number only visible to the attacking player so that no one can possibly know the DPS number and ostracize you for it.

Here is a simple video example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZl6kinukq0

---ALTERNATE IDEA---

I was thinking something like guildhests for solo play might be a good idea. You can have a series of them for each of the three positions.

The DPS ones could be tiered such that each successive tier requires more DPS. Similar to how t8 is (with 4 dreads) 1,120,000 / (11*60) = 1696.96 DPS we could have small one person fights that have a specific time limit where a specific amount of damage must be done. This would make it so if you are able to clear the S-rank (or whatever it could be called) missions then you know you have enough to tackle this content. Also to avoid any conflict make sure we don't tie any rewards or titles to it. This way it's entirely personal.

For Tank we could have something you simply need to take a beating and survive for X amount of time. Each tier can focus on different types of damage. One could be dread training where you're hit by one massive enemy, or another where you have many enemies and you must handle mobs.

For healer it could be different scenarios. Some where you have to quickly remove debuffs (like we need in moogle mog), one where we need to heal many people at once, one where one person is getting hit like a truck and the heals need to be focused and hard.

I think a series of fights like these could easily be enough to gauge you're ability to handle certain end game elements if they are designed well.

Also, I'm not opposed to some sort of result screen.
Something as simple as this could work.
D - You beat it, but barely.
C - You beat it with some wiggle room.
B - Above average.
A - Well Done!
S - Holy crap that's some Deeps! (or whatever mode you're in)


DISCLAIMER:
I did not create this thread to discuss the merits of parsers or not.
I did not create it to start a flame war.
I created this thread to constructively discuss if there is some way we could help people and reduce the amount of hate. Lets try to constructively come up with some way this could work. Naysaying and "oh this will never work" isn't the goal here. I understand this is a tough topic, but lets try to find something that can be useful.

[JayCommon]

Dungeon Defenders is such a great game

I totally agree with this. Also, make a PvP dummy work just like this so we can test the difference between different ilevels of gear and see tangible evidence of what the morale stat does for your damage output.

Thanks,

[Tiggy]

That's a great idea Jay.

[Tiggy]

Literally just now saw this post with basically the same idea.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...69670-DPS-Tool

Probably should ignore this thread and use that one instead.

Although on second look that thread is falling apart into a debate about parsers in general which wasn't my goal.

[dcdistro]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

[Tiggy]

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

If it's displayed to you and only to you then there is no way another player can confirm what your DPS actually is. Making what you said a moot point entirely. It wouldn't affect my ability to know what another players DPS is during a fight at all.

I appreciate your ability to be constructive with your criticism. Oh wait...

Im confident that if SE ever consider the DPS tool will be just to track yourself not the other players

That's exactly what I'm suggesting. A personal tool that no other player can possibly see.

[TeganLaron]

If it's displayed to you and only to you then there is no way another player can confirm what your DPS actually is. Making what you said a moot point entirely. It wouldn't affect my ability to know what another players DPS is during a fight at all.

I think it would still lead to people's actual DPS numbers being an issue though. Every DPS would be asked how much they parse on dummies before entering a group. Although your idea is one of the best ones put forward, I personally just don't want it in the game as it will do more bad than good. Implementing things which could be abused such as the vote kick was a necessary evil, but DPS meters are just not needed that desperately.

[Tiggy]

I think it would still lead to people's actual DPS numbers being an issue though. Every DPS would be asked how much they parse on dummies before entering a group. Although your idea is one of the best ones put forward, I personally just don't want it in the game as it will do more bad than good. Implementing things which could be abused such as the vote kick was a necessary evil, but DPS meters are just not needed that desperately.

Then do something a little different maybe? Based on your current iLvl do something with broad rankings. Like a C, B, A, S ranking. You don't need to know your exact number, just that you aren't low. This could tie in maybe with a solo type event like another player suggested?

All of this just because people wants to be number 1 in the entire World, for bragging.

This is a false assumption. No, this isn't to be the best. As an example I'll use Turn 8. You don't need to be number 1 in the world but you do need very, very good DPS. Without some way to specifically see how you and you alone are doing you may end up in a situation where you're doing good damage but not good enough. Turn 8 is an extreme DPS check. So much so that the overall team damage required to win is outrageously high. I don't need to have the best DPS in the world but I do need to have extremely good DPS just to beat this content. This isn't about being Elite. This isn't about being #1. This is about knowing I can bring the DPS to the party that is absolutely hard enrage required to win. This isn't a situation where it's all "just about having fun" as the content itself requires this level of damage. We are simply players responding to the requirements of the game.

This is not at all about being Elite.

[KingOfAbyss]

This isn't a situation where it's all "just about having fun" as the content itself requires this level of damage. We are simply players responding to the requirements of the game.

Sooo... you are telling me the fun goes away and it's being replaced by numbers at Second Coil?

So Glad that I am still on T5.. and still having fun.

And everyone is entitled to have their opinion. And yes stating any questions here is an opening for debate.

Constructive: No. SE said no, and for good reasons.

Not to point out every single negative thing someone could do with it.

While I understand you want to keep a positive approach (kudos) there will always be bad intent persons that will find the easy route.

And then for these few around, the rest will suffer from it.

[kukurumei]

This is a false assumption. No, this isn't to be the best. As an example I'll use Turn 8. You don't need to be number 1 in the world but you do need very, very good DPS. Without some way to specifically see how you and you alone are doing you may end up in a situation where you're doing good damage but not good enough. Turn 8 is an extreme DPS check. So much so that the overall team damage required to win is outrageously high. I don't need to have the best DPS in the world but I do need to have extremely good DPS just to beat this content. This isn't about being Elite. This isn't about being #1. This is about knowing I can bring the DPS to the party that is absolutely hard enrage required to win. This isn't a situation where it's all "just about having fun" as the content itself requires this level of damage. We are simply players responding to the requirements of the game.

This is not at all about being Elite.

I love how people try to use T8 to pull a straw man.

T8 isn't about parses. It's about optimization and teamwork. Parsing isn't going to do T8 people much good. Their ability to do the mechanics naturally leads them to parse high in that fight and win.

You can pretty much say if you fail T8, it's totally not about scoring low on parsing but you're parsing lower as a result for failing T8.

T8 maybe a big fat training dummy, but it still has mechanics.

So much strawman worthy of elitism.