In Game DPS Meter

[kukurumei]

There are lots of MVP type scoring in many games. Rarely do those present actuate data. Thus they never amount to anything but a number.

It's worse if you put it into a game of this type because it limits content producible by the content team.

Asking someone to save their CDs to push a phase or hold their damage to reverse it and then have someone go "No way I want to beat my personal score".... recipe for disaster.

Enhance Training dummy is the only real alternative and that's not going to satisfy anyone.

[Tiggy]

Asking someone to save their CDs to push a phase or hold their damage to reverse it and then have someone go "No way I want to beat my personal score".... recipe for disaster.
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That's why I suggested a lettering system. It's not like beating a turn would give you that feedback. All that matters is that you won. The only content that would give that feedback would be the guildhest-like event I'm suggesting. That way there is no personal best score for any of the actual battles, and therefore no "personal score" to worry about beating. They wouldn't even be relevant to each other outside of it being a loose training system. Once again. I am not asking for feedback from real group content as winning should be all that you need. I'd only want this feedback on the solo-training content. With that in mind do you still think it would be a problem?

[Gormogon]

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Totally agree.

One of the things that first needs to be understood is what is the groups intended "minimal" contribution for a fight to succeed. Since individually some people can perform higher than intended and others lower than intended. DPS meters don't take that fluctuation into account.

Coil doesn't require 8 people doing 100% to successfully complete it. Yet if it did that means if someone performs at 120% that means you got an additional 20% to spare that can spread to 1 group member or split between a couple.

This whole dps meter fiasco is already causing unwanted hostility.

[Tiggy]

Totally agree.

One of the things that first needs to be understood is what is the groups intended "minimal" contribution for a fight to succeed. Since individually some people can perform higher than intended and others lower than intended. DPS meters don't take that fluctuation into account.

Coil doesn't require 8 people doing 100% to successfully complete it. Yet if it did that means if someone performs at 120% that means you got an additional 20% to spare that can spread to 1 group member or split between a couple.

This whole dps meter fiasco is already causing unwanted hostility.

Please pay closer attention to the conversation and stay on topic. No one is talking about putting in a DPS meter at all. You're refuting something we aren't even talking about.

Gormogon and kukurumei. I get it. You don't like this idea at all. You've made that very clear. Please go-to the other thread on the front page to voice your ideological displeasure with these ideas. This thread is intended to be a good natured discussion of any possible methods that COULD potentially work. All your nay saying and disparagement are not helping and are only serving to drive everything off topic. If you don't want to discuss pro's and con's or suggest new ideas then please accept that I know you don't like these ideas and that you don't need to keep saying. I get it.

[kukurumei]

Gormogon and kukurumei. I get it. You don't like this idea at all. You've made that very clear. Please go-to the other thread on the front page to voice your ideological displeasure with these ideas. This thread is intended to be a good natured discussion of any possible methods that COULD potentially work. All your nay saying and disparagement are not helping and are only serving to drive everything off topic. If you don't want to discuss pro's and con's or suggest new ideas then please accept that I know you don't like these ideas and that you don't need to keep saying. I get it.

Oh shame on us, participating in a public forum that might affect allocation of public resources in this case development time and development content.

I'm still seeing a thinly veil attempt to justified personal glorification to the public.

And I have already seen it has backed people into a corner from a "dps" meter to a "time attack"....which is pretty redundant in most games (even games that public list them have to reset and recalibrate with much effort every month or so)

If it was for personal use...we have that, what in the end is always brought up is a way to announce it to the world...and people have to ask...why?

[Tiggy]

And I have already seen it has backed people into a corner from a "dps" meter to a "time attack"....which is pretty redundant in most games (even games that public list them have to reset and recalibrate with much effort every month or so)

If it was for personal use...we have that, what in the end is always brought up is a way to announce it to the world...and people have to ask...why?

Please, try to understand. This is 100% for personal solo use. Any amount of glory or bragging is entirely imagined by you. I have ZERO intentions to use this for bragging as I only want a tool. This is something I've said repeatedly. Why is this so entirely difficult for you to grasp? I've never once said I wanted the details to goto people and brag. I even went to length to discuss why I don't want DPS output specifically because I wanted to avoid that kind of use case. This isn't any thinly veiled attempt to do anything you suggested. It's a very overt and explicit attempt to come up with a right way to create this type of tool. Please stop pushing your prejudices onto me as some sort of personification of all that is bad with the game. I'm trying to help by giving newer players some way to practice and gauge themselves. It could actually help the game more than hinder it.

Also, even forums where we discuss this stuff have rules about staying on topic. You've made it very very clear you don't like these ideas. Posting about it 100 times will not make that any clearer. We get it. You don't like it. Square, when they read this thread, can see that you don't like it. You've made your voice heard. Now can we please stay on topic please?

[Moheeheeko]

If it was for personal use...we have that

PS3/PS4 players would like a word with you.

But those who will have seen once the S-rank, will change their threshold to be the new D.

"someone might be mean to me therefore it shouldn't exist at all"

[Hybris-Maenad]

Oh shame on us, participating in a public forum that might affect allocation of public resources in this case development time and development content.

It's already been announced that they will be creating training dummies for housing. If resources are already being used to create something, we may as well toss ideas out there before they finalize their design.

God knows they have a track record of rarely going back and fixing anything broken that they release(except that pillow..... damn they were on fire addressing that pillow before half a dozen people even made one).