In Game DPS Meter

[rockso]

Pott kettle in your case, double double black. Because you are specifically trying to ask for something you already have to justify something you already did.

Basically you're a big fat liar that is trying very hard to rewrite the laws to justify you are right.


Parsing is in the game. as long as you keep your mouth shut to personal use. No one is going to take it away.

What you're asking for is "Why should I shut up, I'm right" . You Grow UP as well.

We're not giving you a cake because you like cake.

do you even know what words you are writing or do you just press buttons? wtf are you saying.

[Tiggy]

My static does not use parsers, and we are able to function just fine, it's all about gauging who isn't doing their job properly. People assume that you can only tell who is messing up through an in instance parser, but that's not true. Judge their performance outside of the content in an isolated area. If your DPS aren't willing to admit that they might be messing up, then you have bigger issues with your party. If you're having problems with PUGs, then you just need to find another PUG or avoid them altogether. I've had bad experiences with many instances, if you're unable to clear content, something needs to change, and it's not the addition of a parser.

Looking at your achievements I can see you haven't done the second coil so it's clear to me that you don't understand the context I'm trying to solve this from. You must be doing the first coil still with the echo buff which makes it quite easy with all the new i100 gear. You will not run into the problem I'm trying to help solve because you aren't on the hardest content.

Once again. I don't care about the arguments for or against parsers or in game damage feedback. I only want a conversation about how we could create a feature that works. Stories about how you don't need them are not on topic. Especially when you aren't even running the newest end game. Go debate that in the other thread please.

How do you know, from using training dummies, how much DPS is being lost as a result of functioning with mechanics etc in the fray? Everyone loses some DPS to disconnects, dodging, losing focus for a moment, etc.

It's about understanding your potential and how to improve that potential. A stand still number can be seen as your ceiling and can still be a very valuable piece of information.

[LeonBlade]

Looking at your achievements I can see you haven't done the second coil so it's clear to me that you don't understand the context I'm trying to solve this from. You must be doing the first coil still with the echo buff which makes it quite easy with all the new i100 gear. You will not run into the problem I'm trying to help solve because you aren't on the hardest content.

I am in fact starting T6 with my group as I've only just recently got into a group not too long ago. Perhaps my comments aren't really appropriate for this topic, but my intentions weren't to debate anything.

I apologize for my original message being off topic as you say, but I hope you understand.

A lot of of us would like some kind of personal DPS meter because we are good, and we want to be great.

I understand this, I realize now how off topic my original response was, I will delete it. Thank you for your response.

[JayCommon]

How to deal with poor DPS in your group for end game content WITHOUT needing a DPS meter!

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This is all great information, and I agree that you don't need parsers to see who is doing bad.

A lot of of us would like some kind of personal DPS meter because we are good, and we want to be great. What is so hard to understand about this? I play on PS4, I don't have the option to run a 3rd party parse. I feel like my rotation is solid, and I'm always hovering around top-2nd DPS on enmity, but how am I supposed to learn that I can squeeze another 5-10 DPS out of what I'm doing? I mean, how am I supposed to know it's even possible? Just take someone else's word for it? And then normally what you get with your PUG instance, is someone telling you how to do your rotation for you to examine their profile and they haven't even touched the class yet, let alone have the job.

Also, how does your instance solve the problem if the "leader" of this static in your example is the one who has the rotational issues, but won't admit it? Maybe the leader doesn't like to be told he is wrong? Maybe he doesn't respond well to criticism and it causes a rift in your static which throws a wrench into gained chemistry? Since we are dealing in hypotheticals here anyway.

Many of your examples you gave are quite easy to see in plain combat. You don't need parsers or tools to see if your DRG isn't keeping up HT or if you BRD is singing at appropriate times or not. These things all have visible buff/debuff icons for you to look at. It would be nice to have something more visible, for those of us who know our rotations but want to experiment on pushing the DPS to its limits. And I shouldn't have to ask anyone for help on that!!!! I can't stress that enough. I want to figure it out for myself, not have my hand held through the process.

This has all basically come down to "people not wanting to be judged by their DPS #". Stop deviating from the topic at hand. People do/will try to do bad and ignorant things with any type of anything we are given. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have it. You don't have to divulge your DPS to anyone. The instance given in the OP would be for personal use only. You can always avoid groups that demand the information.

[JayCommon]

oh and Jay, sadly The problem will come, like these PF 1 mistake and your out.

now it will be: take a screen shot or record a video, give us the link on youtube so we will judge if you are decent (perfect) else kick.

I know the problem will come. I even stated that in part of that same quote that you left out. I will quote it again because it needs to be read.

People do/will try to do bad and ignorant things with any type of anything we are given. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have it. You don't have to divulge your DPS to anyone. The instance given in the OP would be for personal use only. You can always avoid groups that demand the information.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Crap like that is going to happen no matter SE gives us. Why should this stop them from giving it to us? And why can't the general player-base just GROW UP instead of getting all butt hurt over criticism? The PF is there for people to set parameters for their party. If you don't like their parameters, no one is forcing you to join that party? Try making your own PF with your own rules. If people want to do the content they will join it, and you will have the ability to kick anyone you deem too "elitist" or "hardcore".

Some of us have fun by trying to be the best. Not everyone who wants to be the best gets their jollies off by making the worst feel bad about them being bad.

[KingOfAbyss]

I know the problem will come. I even stated that in part of that same quote that you left out. I will quote it again because it needs to be read.



You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Crap like that is going to happen no matter SE gives us. Why should this stop them from giving it to us? And why can't the general player-base just GROW UP instead of getting all butt hurt over criticism? The PF is there for people to set parameters for their party. If you don't like their parameters, no one is forcing you to join that party? Try making your own PF with your own rules. If people want to do the content they will join it, and you will have the ability to kick anyone you deem too "elitist" or "hardcore".

Some of us have fun by trying to be the best. Not everyone who wants to be the best gets their jollies off by making the worst feel bad about them being bad.

I am not sure who's butthurt, to use your nice words. We are debating points here, for everyone to see. If people see that as personal attacks, that's their own problems and I can suggest to see a doctor, they sell pills for that.

I guess we have different views about how FFXIV should be played. I love big numbers in game where it counts. This one ain't one, as per the views of Yoshida.

If it's different, please let us have him explain it to us.

For the time being, SE made it that was, and mentionned more than once that they won't go with it.

if Crap like that is going to happen no matter, don't you think it's then on the side of the community?

It's all cool with me with trying to be the best. That doesn't mean you need to belittle others that just want to have fun, for the sake of what you call a game.

Even here it's clear we have different levels of players, and each is entitled to have a game that they could enjoy. So if they would have said yes, even I would have used it.

The true elites here: SE. They reign supreme. They don't want us to split and provoke resentment, which as a type it's obvious we are on different levels.

We, the common folks, can express like what the OP did here, and many others before him, their questions, opinions, suggestions. People have stated their points many times, and SE gave a decision.. Feels like we are going into appeal just like in real life..

wow.

[Raenryong]

How do you know, from using training dummies, how much DPS is being lost as a result of functioning with mechanics etc in the fray? Everyone loses some DPS to disconnects, dodging, losing focus for a moment, etc.

[OPneedNerfs]

The problem is, good players avoid bad players like the plague. Yet bad players constantly seek out good players to carry them through content. In other words, the real problem lies in the bad players not wanting to group with other bad players and would rather join parties that request for good players and then qq about how they're mean because they didn't carry him through content.