DPS Tool

[Gormogon]

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For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't. What percentage of the population of players do you think down coil within the first second and third week of its release? Those people might not receive the negative backlash from the toxic players yet with a big amount of players that aren't "playing correctly" if it's a standard those toxic players will find it justified to vent their frustration and anger on the rest. Since they will use DF they will use PF and they will not seclude themselves to special little groups where they group up with each other to yell at each other.

As for your second question it answers itself.

[Assirra]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't. What percentage of the population of players do you think down coil within the first second and third week of its release? Those people might not receive the negative backlash from the toxic players yet with a big amount of players that aren't "playing correctly" if it's a standard those toxic players will find it justified to vent their frustration and anger on the rest. Since they will use DF they will use PF and they will not seclude themselves to special little groups where they group up with each other to yell at each other.

As for your second question it answers itself.

Yes i answered myself, and i gave you a way so we are both happy, not only you. And i am still waiting for those so called "wrong purposes" other then to say "your deeps suck". Info is GOOD. I really don't understand this whole concept where hiding stuff is considered a good thing.
Using it in DF is pointless since you can't kick and just ignore a loud mouth anyway. But no, you simply don't want to do that and now the people that want to actually step up their game have to use illigal means to see what they can improve. Some logic going on here.

these tools are getting daily used in wow and in a thing called LFR which is the biggest cesspool imaginable you barely see people flipping out unless someone is actually barely doing anything.

I say you are vastly overrating the harm people will with it.

[Gormogon]

I really don't understand this whole concept

Then do the following.
Make an alt on a difference server and play during your downtime. Play bad on purpose when you notice that there's a jerk in the group and find out first how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. Don't better your DPS, keep it to yourself and tell me that it is magically a good experience.

Also make the effort to play more in DF and notice these things more and instead of siding with those jerks side with the ones trying to down the content.

[Gnova]

Then do the following.
Make an alt on a difference server and play during your downtime. Play bad on purpose when you notice that there's a jerk in the group and find out first how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. Don't better your DPS, keep it to yourself and tell me that it is magically a good experience.

Also make the effort to play more in DF and notice these things more and instead of siding with those jerks side with the ones trying to down the content.

So you are saying play bad and not take advise then be hurt when people get upset with you or vote kick you?
I would say that the jerk in this scenario is the bad player not the person getting frustrated.

[Gormogon]

So you are saying play bad and not take advise then be hurt when people get upset with you or vote kick you?
I would say that the jerk in this scenario is the bad player not the person getting frustrated.

I never said don't listen to the person giving advice nicely even if it came from a jerk.

[rappa]

Who used a parser? Raiders
Who don't use a parser? Casual gamers, zero interest on improve damage or rotations (And obviously ps players)

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As Rankina said, the parser is not an enemy, it's a tool.
He/she explains a lot of situations.
How many times you try to kill titan hm and the heart is not killed?

In this case, you could see the global or personal damage. You can see, a toxic player could say to the lowest dps "You suck and leave us". In the other hand, a brain player, could see that the determination debuff is not dispelled, or the dps is inside the gaol.

This game has a lot of dps encounter.
Caduceus get a damage buff could instakill your tank.
ADS
Turn 4: They spawn and if you don't kill fast, you wipe
Twintania: if your dps is low, you can't kill conflagrates, snakes and adds in time.
Rafflesia: You need dps to kill bees and the bug, if not, wiped again.
Melusine: Adds and enrage.
Avatar: You need an amount of damage to defeat the boss and the dreadnoughts.
Turn 9: I don't try but i suppose be the same.

On a static group, we study the dps, the healing, the damage, what happen when a player die and how.
Without a parser, we are blind.

I am not a hardcore player, but i am competitive. I spent time fighting the dummy, trying differents rotations, buffs, potions, and study the damage. I am proud to say, i get around 50 dps more. Do you think 50 dps is not a great increased? Well if i lost 50 dps and me party members are same, maybe turn 8 that need 1650 global dps could not defeated.


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One option is using a parser, the other is wait to echo buff.

[Assirra]

Then do the following.
Make an alt on a difference server and play during your downtime. Play bad on purpose when you notice that there's a jerk in the group and find out first how it feels to be on the receiving end of the stick. Don't better your DPS, keep it to yourself and tell me that it is magically a good experience.

Also make the effort to play more in DF and notice these things more and instead of siding with those jerks side with the ones trying to down the content.

I have been an mmo healer for over 10years, if you don't think i have been on "the receiving end of the stick" you are very very wrong. And your example doesn't make sense whatsoever. Play bad and people get angry? i...well...duh?
Btw, in your example you are the jerk, not the other person since you are intentionally fucking up the whole run.
So we now came to point that you are the same as the the people you call out all the time.

[Alukah]

This discussion is a bit pointless, SE already took a stance regarding DPS meters and I really doubt they will change it regardless if you agree, disagree or chose to ignore their reasons.

I understand why this would be useful (still not a necessity tho) but I doubt SE wants to deal with the "cons" it brings, this is all about money, they can still please the hardcore community without this tool while saving potential issues with the casual community (the biggest source of box sales for pretty much any game).

Now, for those who want a personal DPS meter I'd suggest making a new thread, this thread derailed long ago and I doubt they will give any consideration to that idea unless it's separated from this global DPS meter discussion.

[Viridiana]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

And I'm sure you have hard numbers for that. . .

[Pooky_Pasha]

For your first question the percentage of people that are gonna be using for the wrong purposes extremely outweighs those that aren't.

I'd love to see the research studies, statistics, or what-have-you to back this up. Something other than anecdotal evidence or personal bias, as neither of those are reliable sources of information.

Anyway, all a standardized dps parser would do is...nothing except make dps reads more accurate. They are used regardless of ToS, and people still get harassed and get kicked from parties for poor performances. If there were a standardized dps parser, and you're still getting harassed for your poor performance, you can still screenshot/report. Or you can improve your gameplay, but that may take a little work.

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

If used correctly, it's called accountability. If a player wants to participate in a raid, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve if they are holding the group back, or get dismissed from the group. Heck, even if the group is doing ok, but that person has huge room for improvement, there is nothing wrong with expecting that person to improve. If people are wanting to raid, they should expect to be held accountable for their performances. It's just that with dps, there has to be a parser involved. Parsers just happen to also provide useful performance information for tanks and healers as well.