DPS Tool

[Raenryong]

Always been around in Rift too, even before the addon API. I remember using ACT to yell at people who weren't attacking Noxious Bracken/Pollen enough in Lord Greenscale

[ShinkuTachi]

All the naysayers are ignoring the fact that PC gamers already have access to these tools; and, are making asinine claims based on personal experience and 'what-if' scenarios rather than reality of the community as a whole.

SE not implementing official addons in-game is basically turning a blind eye to the advantage PC gamers have with these tools over the Console gamers.

[Nero]

Good Players will do research, test, read things up, improve etc regardless of using a parser. They do not need a parser to be a good player or get better, but does it help to actually see some accurate numbers? Yes it does and they can improve even more. Theorycrafters did their thing before the first parsers were out and here it is the same; They do not need a parser, but it does help to get more accurate calculations.


Parsers did exist in 1.0 and do since early 2.0. They do exist in many games, regardless of being allowed or not. People will use them regardless of being allowed or not. They allready use it in FFXIV and will keep using it and it does not matter if SE will allow it or it. If those people get caught using it, well shit happens and i guess that is all people want. Having a "legal" use of a parser, so they don't risk getting their account suspended. They allready judge people in Raids, Dungeons or w/e, so i don't really see how having it "legal" will change anything about the Community.

Depending on the way SE would allow it, also i doubt they will in the near future, it could be actually have an positive influence, since PS3/PS4 players can't use 3rd Party tools. Let aside for a second that 3rd Party tools are not allowed, how can PS Players improve their gameplay/dps/numbers w/e, if they can't use said tools due "PS limitations" ( sorry i had to )? Adding official support, or an official parser would help those people a lot. It should not be mandatory tho and i can think of a couple ways, which people would maybe like as well. Lets say adding some sort of "Trial Behest", where people have to reach a certain dps to progress further, or to get a certain Reward? I am pretty sure SE could pull something like that and also, they've showed their own parser in a couple official screenshots. They do look nifty.. xD

But yeah, a parser or dps-meter is not really a bad thing, the people using it the wrong way is the bad part about it.

[Gormogon]

Your common sense got actually proven wrong.

He actually enforces what I've been stating in the past.

If difficulty wasn't so high and these requirements never existed there wouldn't be a need for LFR in WoW. LFR wasn't in WoW for the first 3 expansions for a reason.

Yet because people continued to beg for hard content and because a big portion of their population couldn't complete it and they were losing subscriptions over it. Challenge ended up gated behind secluded groups and LFR became the "handout" method. Keep pushing that mentality that drove WoW to take those extremes and it's gonna come to a point that the dev team here in FFXIV will have enough and they too may take those drastic measures. In which statics is the challenge method and DF becomes the handout method or some other form that may separate the community further.

That what he said in his video already happens here. With ilvl90 there was no need to have 4 skilled people to do the old 50 dungeons so if you have 3 balanced players the 4th doesn't matter. With ilvl96 that 2rd dps doesn't need to perform like the rest to have 5 minute BFHM SR. Hell if I DF Brayflox and the group wants to do full pulls all I ask is that they stay alive and keep them mobs bunched up enough for me to finish my 3rd flare after that it doesn't matter.

[kukurumei]

You do not need a parser to win. Parcer are good for a bit of theory crafting, but SE has made content on parsers strictly sub optimal or in other cases, detrimental.

You know you're doing good, if you have done the content to the level of
1: Your up time on bosses is high (if you're not hitting you're not doing good and death is obviously bad)
2: Phases of burst are properly done. AKA add phases where people save alll their Buffs/CDs
3: hitting the proper thing at the proper time. Randomly hitting stuff is bad

Stuffing a parser doesn't make you any better at the content.

Case in point is a blm who does bad on parser still pays his way in uses by simply being able to burst down adds fast with their flare and fire 3s.

Or a smn that can do some nice damage simply wipes the pt from lack of burst timing skills.

You need a job to perform xyz and abc. and you need people who can do certain things without messing up.

parsing is way way below that. Even the almighty T8 where it's one big punchy dummy, is still in the end, not really parser super friendly. Most of that fight is not screwing up the mechanics and keeping up time on the bosses. aka optimization. (and it also doesn't take a parser to tell you 3 monks and a brd can rip it to shreds, since 2 of those mnk are not on dk duty, with inf tp).

There are people that never parse a day in their life constantly hit the top scores by just doing things properly and their rotations well versed.

You don't need to know a rotation is good with a parser, simply by using it often, and reading their skill description.

[Docj]

Lets keep it civil and on topic please.

SE says we can't have battle parsers. That's a topic in itself to debate. Not really what I wanted this thread to discuss. I just want to work with what we already know we can't have and still try to get some raw numbers in some way.

Given we already know their stance on the subject. I started the thread with a simple idea to get some sort of tool that uses the dummies. I think this would only has positive impact in the game. This should in a small way please many and offend no one. If only the individuals in a dummy session can see the results, I don't see any reason for conflict.

Parsing dummy usage examples:

Know your potential DPS/HPS. Improve your potential. Test newly acquired gear's impact on potential. Test speed build vs crit build vs det build. Find out which of your several jobs has the highest potential. See people in the world training on dummies. Fun at Fc houses by letting parties hit the parsing dummies together. Dummy mode that randomly places aoe under the player striking to practice reaching potential while moving (only registering hits in the results not in damage). Idk, just some thoughts on it's use for some entertainment and function. I could go on.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

Didn't we have something like this in FFXI? Built-in I mean? Does anyone have a legitimate reason on why they didn't add that system to this game? And on/off topic, is there a reason why we can't call out percentages for the boss' HP? Is that feature removed from here as well? Or am I too Barbie and am missing it?

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I fail to understand this "discrimination" issue.

There is already a "discrimination" system in place, by the game itself - the ilvl requirement. That is the same as the old "gearscore", and is, in fact, the dumbest kind of discrimination ever.

ilvl is just nominal - you might be an ilvl 100 playing so bad that an ilvl 70 guy can outdps you. On the other hand, an objective "dps value" would be a way more precise measure of a player's skill.
Still "discrimination", sure - but at least a reasonable one.

By the way, I think we should stop using the word "discrimination" to describe "wanting other people to carry their weight", because this is how it's being used.

[Logo]

By the way, I think we should stop using the word "discrimination" to describe "wanting other people to carry their weight", because this is how it's being used.

This x1000

[Viridiana]

By the way, I think we should stop using the word "discrimination" to describe "wanting other people to carry their weight", because this is how it's being used.

Or we could take a step back and realize that discrimination is not a bad thing. I mean, we all discriminate against certain foods (for example) for a variety of reasons from taste to texture to allergies to healthfulness. Or, I dunno, maybe someone out there is gnawing on their desk as they read this and thinking I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Discrimination is not an issue unless the standards become unreasonably strict or unless it's accompanied by harassment. There's nothing wrong with "Sorry, I don't think your Darklight Bow is going to cut it in LX." There *is* something wrong with "LFG WPSR Zenith and Myth gear required." There's also, clearly, something wrong with "OMFG, your DPS is only 200? WTH is wrong with you? Are you stupid? Do you even know what you're doing?"