DPS Tool

[Docj]

Q34: Please implement a DPS tool and a feature that shows a monster’s HP %.

A34: An HP % display shouldn’t be too hard so we’ll look into it when I get back.

In regards to a DPS tool, we don’t have any plans to implement something you can use during battle. If we were to implement something like this, it would be a necessity for content and we feel it would cause conditions where lines are drawn by players saying a certain amount of DPS output is bad.

However, I understand the requests to be able to know how much DPS you are doing. While it is a bit off in the future, we are thinking to make it so you can understand how much DPS you are doing by having content for beginners where you have to reach a certain amount of DPS within two minutes to clear it.

I agree with the premise of this answer; DPS meters in battle could lead to discrimination or harassment.

Perhaps functions could be added to the existing striking dummies allowing players to check their own DPS output while not in battle. Maybe, instead, create a special dummy that can be placed on estates that has this type of functionality. This would help players improve themselves and try out new rotations/strategies. This adjustment seems like it would fit in naturally with dummies since they currently serve little purpose.

I would love to hear a dev's thoughts on this idea.

edit: (6/6/14)

Update:

1:07:03 Q: Please implement an official DPS tool and a feature that shows the HP % of enemies.

A: snipped........ I’m asked quite frequently whether we have plans to address an official feature that displays DPS measurements, but due to our current policy, we don't have any plans for this. The reason for this is that certain levels of DPS will be forced upon players. However, I understand the desire to know how much damage you are outputting, and while it will take some time, we’ve been discussing making it so striking dummies measure DPS as well as whether we can add a training activity for new players where you’ll have to deal a certain amount of damage within a certain time. This is how we've decided to address an official DPS meter.

Cool! Looking forward to see what they come up with!

[Mister-Wonderful]

OP is on the right track. Currently, unless you use something like a parser, the Striking dummies serve no purpose. You cannot tell whether a rotation is an improvement or a downgrade until you see the actual numbers, can we at least see something like a parser on dummies, if we can't have it in fight. I would love to see that on at least the FC house striking dummies, but it is something that should be considered for every striking dummy.

[Cherie]

I'm good without ever having a tool of this kind but, I kind of would like to know if people are hitting mobs/healing etc.

Often I'll have groups where people are obviously not doing much. Like a dps puts the tank of follow for most of the dungeon etc....

While it might be clear that someone is just putting the tank on follow in a 4 person dungeon, it's a lot less obvious in something like CT.

I mean sure, you can carry people in CT, but sometimes it gets out of control.

Maybe they could add a Troll-o-meter that lets you know if people are contributing or not...lol

[zeroumus]

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

[Docj]

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

I think discrimination would pop up mostly in PF groups. I can imagine comments saying "must be able to do 'X dps' or we kick". Cutting people out of the fight before they can try in this manner is discriminating. Fact of the matter is, some players need to be carried by others to clear certain content.

I don't consider it harassing to constructively criticize players either. Harassment would come from those who have no tact; going way overboard with the "you suck" sentiment.

[Ikeda]

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

SE's logic is pretty simple to explain. Where you see someone trying to teach someone and help them improve, SE sees discrimination, hurt feelings, and lost subs because the loudest parser enthusiasts are the stereotypical elitist pricks people complain about.

You could make the same argument about SE's decision to make the majority of the game's leveling content overly casual with a emphasis on soloing because it's detrimental to the community and doesn't force players to actually learn to play their class properly by the time they reach endgame.

Or their decision to add a cross server duty finder which breeds a community that doesn't have to fear for any consequences of their actions creating a self centered community that only cares about their loot and prevents people from actually forming good communities because half the time they get put together with people from another server they'll never see again.

In general most of SE's decisions for the game have been soul-less "by the book" decisions that can all be summed up as "WoW did it and is making lots of money. Maybe we'll make lots of money too if we copy them" ignoring the fact that every other mmo that's done just that has failed. If it's not that it's a decision made solely in a attempt to retain subscriptions rather than actually improve the game.

Then there's the players charging people for primal and coil runs and the people from those groups that sabotage normal primal/coil runs to try to make people desperate enough to buy those runs.

[Zaiken]

i am by no means and elite player, but people being called out for not performing as well as others on dps with their character is .... discrimination? You are not helping those players by hiding the fact that they under perform, and you dont help the game as whole by doing this.

Well imagine in Party Finder people would advertised, if your DPS not equal this Amount, you will be replaced or kick. Same with Duty Finder, people will be ass and vote kick because one perform more poorly or not putting max dps. Some people just want to enjoy playing the game without the harassment and discrimination, I agree with the answer putting such tools will lead to this and a bad community, take wow for example. There is a reason parsed is not allow.

[Raenryong]

Well imagine in Party Finder people would advertised, if your DPS not equal this Amount, you will be replaced or kick.

What is wrong with that? Why are people not allowed to choose who they want to group with?

If there is a learning party or one which labels itself "no elitists", I'm not going to join and make their lives unpleasant. Why do "anti-elitists" want to get into the top end groups so badly when they don't meet requirements?

This community is worse than WoW's in many ways, just different ways.

[TestSubject09]

Well imagine in Party Finder people would advertised, if your DPS not equal this Amount, you will be replaced or kick. Same with Duty Finder, people will be ass and vote kick because one perform more poorly or not putting max dps. Some people just want to enjoy playing the game without the harassment and discrimination, I agree with the answer putting such tools will lead to this and a bad community, take wow for example. There is a reason parsed is not allow.

That would be a good point, if it was a problem...

1) You can't kick people for being bad in Duty Finder... its not a valid reason. (unless they are obviously trolling) .... if you do, they can report you for harrasment.

2) Party finder? just don't join that group then? they know what they want, and they should be entitled to want good players... why shouldn't they?

[Luxx]

You can't kick people for being bad in Duty Finder... its not a valid reason. (unless they are obviously trolling) .... if you do, they can report you for harrasment

Well of course not. It's not a valid reason but lo and behold people still abuse the living hell out the kick system now do they?
See CS threads for example. We can report them and all, but people don't care also the innocence who get kicked
still have to wait for so long to do another run because their dps is low? This game needs much less people
to find a reason to bully others.