The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

[Blitzace]

Well i really do not like SMN at all in XIV. it was my first class, was really excited about it untill i found out it was mostly a DoT class, Thats all fine for people who like that but for me, its a big nono. I played SMN in XI, because i enjoyed how awesome it was(Even though people didn't like them in party's and by some were considered useless untill AB and later stuff) Yet i solo'd NMs that people couldn't even come close to back then. If you knew how to play that class it was a very powerfull solo class, It was awesome just to roam through out vanadiel,(with any class really)

And thats another thing i'm missing in Eorzea, there is really no point in roaming about.

[Ardan]

Well i really do not like SMN at all in XIV. it was my first class, was really excited about it untill i found out it was mostly a DoT class, Thats all fine for people who like that but for me, its a big nono. I played SMN in XI, because i enjoyed how awesome it was(Even though people didn't like them in party's and by some were considered useless untill AB and later stuff) Yet i solo'd NMs that people couldn't even come close to back then. If you knew how to play that class it was a very powerfull solo class, It was awesome just to roam through out vanadiel,(with any class really)

And thats another thing i'm missing in Eorzea, there is really no point in roaming about.

Are you implying you would rather have an awesome, useless class than an involving and incredibly powerful one despite it's looks? You aren't getting the avatars you got in XI. They would cause problems both on screen lag and impeding the view to see mechanics of boss fights.

[Blitzace]

They would cause problems both on screen lag and impeding the view to see mechanics of boss fights.

Please, read my setence again, i said PEOPLE didn´t like them, same with these elitist that only play speedruns with BLM, because its faster.
SMN was a very good class, could be either a support or a offensive job role, And how would it cause screen lag if i may ask? Do you lag when you're fighting Ifrit?
Did you play XI? Avatars were not the real size of the actually avatars, If you're lagging because someone has a decent sized pet you might wanna consider upgrading your PC.

Obviously stuff will lag when you do events like Odin/Behemoth. But that was the same with big events in XI, Even w/o pets.

And lets even put away the size, The avatars right now, imho they are not even close how good they were in XI(i mean combat wise) you had total controll of countless abilities.

[i2agnarok]

Do you lag when you're fighting Ifrit?

Apparently there's some extra fight I haven't gotten to where you fight Ifrit in a town or with more than 7 other players on the screen.
How do you plan to see Twintania mechanics when you have large Primals running around and grouped with the rest of your party?

If Odin/Behemoth lags or are very hard to see/target already, how is that NOT going to be a problem when you have bigger graphics on the screen?
And how do you expect to not lag in major cities when a bunch of these people are running around, when there can be choppiness with a bunch of people using the Behemoth mount?
This is terrible for the PS3 people already.
They can't even load Behemoth's sprite in certain conditions.

Yes, elitist that only play speedruns with BLM doesn't affect any other class in the game other than Summoner. /facepalm
Why is that even relevant to the topic at hand when that "issue" isn't exclusive to Summoner AT ALL.
I didn't play 11 long, but it sounds like these "countless abilities" didn't help the class in being picked up very often, judging by your original post.
Summoners in this game can solo about anything that CAN be solo'd, so I completely fail to see how they aren't good when they are one of the most damaging classes in the game.

[Blitzace]

Apparently there's some extra fight I haven't gotten to where you fight Ifrit in a town or with more than 7 other players on the screen.
How do you plan to see Twintania mechanics when you have large Primals running around and grouped with the rest of your party?

If Odin/Behemoth lags or are very hard to see/target already, how is that NOT going to be a problem when you have bigger graphics on the screen?

Where do you read that i or anyone else is asking for the actually size of a avatar? That would be plain stupid.

[i2agnarok]

Oy...

And how would it cause screen lag if i may ask? Do you lag when you're fighting Ifrit?
Avatars were not the real size of the actually avatars, If you're lagging because someone has a decent sized pet you might wanna consider upgrading your PC.

You aren't getting the avatars you got in XI. They would cause problems both on screen lag and impeding the view to see mechanics of boss fights.

He is referring entirely to the size of the avatar causing loading issues. The other 10 (exaggeration) clones of this thread are people, coming from 11, complaining about the Egis not looking like they do in 11 (along with certain degrees of interaction with them). He is directly referencing that. I have no idea how you missed that, yet managed to respond to him and talk about graphics cards.