The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

[blackcitadel9]

As someone who mains Summoner, I do feel some tweaks could be made to it. Certain abilities could be changed *cough*Tri-disaster*cough*, Pet behaviors could be made a bit more robust, such as instead of the general Sic and Obey commands, you set the skills to be automatically used or not used as the situation warrants. Possibly the pets themselves could be altered to tie into a Summoner's DoTs a bit more so the pets actually feel like a part of the job, instead of a bit tacked on. (as an example, though not probably not feasible, gives you an idea of the direction I'm thinking. Titan-egi's enmity building skills are stronger (the enmity part, not the damage part) on an enemy affected by its master's debuffs. A Summoner's heals are slightly stronger on their pets. Things like that)
Otherwise I've not any real problems with it beyond player perception. Pretty much everyone I've met on Lich believe BLM to be superior to SMN in every respect.

[Akiza]

Everyone knows if Square were to add another caster job now the Summoner job would be destroyed because a lot of casters overshadow the Summoner even the Black Mage over shadows the Summoner now what will happen when they add the Red Mag the Summoner population would dwindle to nothing. Square can't even add another caster job without killing the Summoner unless they make the Summoner more about summoning. The Arcanist is a channeling class but it dosen't seem like it's channelling much of anything when most people think of channeling they think of witches that can affect the weather the atmosphere and call forth storms , intense winds, earth quakes and he'll fire.

[Exstal]

Everyone knows if Square were to add another caster job now the Summoner job would be destroyed because a lot of casters overshadow the Summoner even the Black Mage over shadows the Summoner now what will happen when they add the Red Mag the Summoner population would dwindle to nothing. Square can't even add another caster job without killing the Summoner unless they make the Summoner more about summoning. The Arcanist is a channeling class but it dosen't seem like it's channelling much of anything when most people think of channeling they think of witches that can affect the weather the atmosphere and call forth storms , intense winds, earth quakes and he'll fire.

..a lot of casters?

# of casters;

1) Summoner
2) Black Mage

[Ricdeau]

Everyone knows if Square were to add another caster job now the Summoner job would be destroyed because a lot of casters overshadow the Summoner even the Black Mage over shadows the Summoner now what will happen when they add the Red Mag the Summoner population would dwindle to nothing. Square can't even add another caster job without killing the Summoner unless they make the Summoner more about summoning. The Arcanist is a channeling class but it dosen't seem like it's channelling much of anything when most people think of channeling they think of witches that can affect the weather the atmosphere and call forth storms , intense winds, earth quakes and he'll fire.

I think it's pretty safe to say when people think anything it's not even close to the incoherent gibberish you keep spewing out. This is getting out of hand. How about you trying to make even slightly coherent comments so people can even follow what the hell you're on about. You keep making tons of claims for "most people", but again most of these are unsubstantiated. Are there summoners dissatisfied with the job, yes, but the same can be said for all the jobs and classes in the game. I won't even argue that there's tweaks to be made, but what you ask for and the claims you make keep making are getting wilder and wilder.

[SamaelVantas]

So how bout them blue mages guys?

[Akiza]

So how bout them blue mages guys?

A new caster job would bury the Summoner. There'd be a bunch of Summoner's going to Blue Mage.

[Ricdeau]

A new caster job would bury the Summoner. There'd be a bunch of Summoner's going to Blue Mage.

Oh please, do explain to us in great detail how another caster job would bury summoner. There's only two caster jobs, two melee jobs, two tank jobs, and two healing jobs so would adding one more of something besides caster (or physical ranged since there's only one right now) bury those too? Sorry, but summoner stands firmly on it's own. I could understand if two jobs were nearly identical, but black mage and summoner are very different.

[Seaku]

A new caster job would bury the Summoner. There'd be a bunch of Summoner's going to Blue Mage.

Why? What prove do you have for this?

You also state that blm is better in every aspect, really? Blm are better in burst and AOE if there are more than 4 mobs, that's it. Smn has better single target, 1-4 multi-target, sustained damage, mobility, utility and a swiftcast res. With all these advantages how in the hell would another caster bury the summoner?

[Akiza]

Are there summoners dissatisfied with the job, yes, but the same can be said for all the jobs and classes in the game. I won't even argue that there's tweaks to be made, but what you ask for and the claims you make keep making are getting wilder and wilder.

Most players want to just small tweaks to their class/job maybe adjust some traits. The general consensus on the Summoner is it has a fun gameplay style but it's not actually a Summoner that can't be said about other classes/jobs. Summoner's need an overall to their mechanics and be more about using Summoning Magic and less about using diseases.

[SamaelVantas]

I can only take so much downs from a thread.
This one has become over that limit.
Just from one person too.
Deer god why....