Atmas - Taking the fun out of gaming.

[Pooky]

Is it possible to just spend an hour or two a week doing it? Rather than spend 10 hours in one go doing it, spread that time over a few months. Maybe be done in time for the next patch?

If it was a finite grind like the myth books, yes. However with atmas, you can't necessarily spend an hour or 2 a week to progress anything. Its completely luck dependent. Plus, a month from now, not as many people will be doing these FATEs. trying to get atma when its 4-5 people doing FATEs is going to make it 10 times worse. People wanna get their atmas done and then can spend the next 2-3 months filling out myth books. The second part of that grind is ok. The first is not.

[Keikun]

I do agree this ATMA farming is terrible, but I think they did something to the drop rate, my first farming day I got 2 atmas, second day 1 atma and yesterday I got 7 atmas, at least I hope they did cause it seems easier now.

[Deathscythe343]

I think the idea that SE could have done this a little bit different and still kept the grind intact. It's a problem of perceived fairness. If Tommy has been trying to get an atma in a zone for 10hrs and Billy comes along and gets it in 30mins, then it is perceived that the result is unfair. Tommy obviously thinks he put in more work and should have gotten it.

There are other ways that this system could have been setup to avoid this problem. One suggestion that I saw in a similar thread was to make it so that players did a certain number of fates, the idea in question was set at 50, and then reward players with their atma. You would still have the grind portion of the quest, but the visual progression that people are asking for would be there. This is similar to why you don't see so many threads about the book portion of the quest.

[starswept]

The way they set up this Atma grind is HORRIBLE. I don't mind grinding. What I don't like is that they put damn RNG in it. You could be grinding and grinding 20+ hours and get nothing while this other player who just joined your FATE party gets it in 10 min. There's no sense of progression and actually working toward something when you don't even know if the time spent is actually accomplishing anything because drops are all random.
And yeah the stats of the Atma weapon isn't any better than the relic, but getting atma must be done if you want to further upgrade the weapon in the future.
This RNG put into the first part of this quest is terrible and needs to be changed. The first part is all based on luck. Not skill or equal amounts of work put in it.

[Deathscythe343]

If it was a finite grind like the myth books, yes. However with atmas, you can't necessarily spend an hour or 2 a week to progress anything. Its completely luck dependent. Plus, a month from now, not as many people will be doing these FATEs. trying to get atma when its 4-5 people doing FATEs is going to make it 10 times worse. People wanna get their atmas done and then can spend the next 2-3 months filling out myth books. The second part of that grind is ok. The first is not.

This seems to say exactly what people are having trouble with the current system.

Also note that this entire upgrade process, from this stage to any in the future, is gated. The entire process, as a whole, is totally dependent on completing part one of this stage.

[Kazamoto]

I am tired of hearing the defense on having other ways to obtain similar ilvl 100 weapon

Oh because finding a progression group or making a static group is such an easy thing to do. Trying to make an static group and joining progression groups for over a week and so far only cleared Garuda EX, and hadn't even finished coil 1.
Farming atma is the only way you can get ilvl 100 weapon without sitting on PF hoping someone will join a static group you are trying to form, and wiping bazillion times in progression group

SE is asking us to choose between Boredom and Frustation. No thanks, i hate both.

At this point in the game, you cannot clear T1.

With all of the farm groups in PF daily, you are unable to clear it.

But you want i100 gear.

the option is given to farm, over an admittedly long period of time, for an i100 weapon. This option has NO skill check, merely time invested.

So, the content is wrong because you cannot pass the skill check, and do not want to pass the time check.

Rewards come to the skilled or the patient. Be one or both.

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For that matter, you want grind and RNG? I capped soldiery tomes this week doing T2 for bard hat. 0-45. Granted I have basically every OTHER drop from there now, but in 45 runs, I saw ONE BRD hat drop.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

What do people suggest, then? It was stated prior the 2.2 patch that this would be a long term process. I didn't read a single suggestion giving an alternative. PERSONAL OPINION INCOMING: I played a lot of MMOs. Grind and RNG is a common currency for me. The luck factor is something I always desired, because there're days that you have it and there're days that you don't. Even if I didn't get my Atmas, I should have still tried to get them. For me IT IS rewarding, after long hours of grinding, to get one. The system helped me to buff my 3K FATEs achievement (Dat garb) and it was a motivation to gather seals and buy crafting materials. I met nice people doing FATEs. I ran into FATEs that I didn't know they existed. Yes, personally, I don't dislike FATEs, I don't know why people don't like 'em.

On a side note, last night I've got my Holy Shield Animus and I'm at 3/7 books of my Curtana Animus. The glow looks gorgeous.

[Jinko]

I think the idea that SE could have done this a little bit different and still kept the grind intact. It's a problem of perceived fairness. If Tommy has been trying to get an atma in a zone for 10hrs and Billy comes along and gets it in 30mins, then it is perceived that the result is unfair. Tommy obviously thinks he put in more work and should have gotten it.

There are other ways that this system could have been setup to avoid this problem. One suggestion that I saw in a similar thread was to make it so that players did a certain number of fates, the idea in question was set at 50, and then reward players with their atma. You would still have the grind portion of the quest, but the visual progression that people are asking for would be there. This is similar to why you don't see so many threads about the book portion of the quest.

100% this, its a shame that SE have yet to click on to the idea of being fair though.

What do people suggest, then? It was stated prior the 2.2 patch that this would be a long term process. I didn't read a single suggestion giving an alternative.

You didn't pay attention to what your read then.

[Darte]

Just completed the full 12 set of atmas for my blm staff. At the start of this, I was fully intending on getting another 3 sets for whm, pld and smn. Not anymore. I was on the brink of losing it at the end of the 12th atma.

Take note SE: This is not fun. It is purely a time waster and you know it. Try putting in some skill challenges instead of grinds for a change.

[Siren]

You think this is a boring grind, play Lineage 2 when it takes a month of solid grinding to get 10% of 1 level, this here this atma farm? this aint no grind this is a walk in the park, people have it to easy anything that requires even a little bit of work and effort and people want it changed.

You want a solution other then not doing it? Just devote 1 hour a day a to farm it, pace yourself you do not need to 24/7 grind it, if it takes a little longer to get then big deal 5 more lvls on your weapon is not going to make or break you nor will it keep you alive with titan landslides you of the edge.